Aug 17, 2026 City Council Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER ]

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>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO AUGUST 17TH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL ]

FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

NEXT UP IS OUR INVOCATION, RIGHT BEFORE WE HAVE OUR INVOCATOR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RASHAN SPEAK ABOUT A SPECIAL CEREMONY, HE DID

OR WHOMEVER. >> MY NAME IS ANYA BURSA AND I'M A JUNIOR AT CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL, ALONG WITH BEING A JUNIOR, I'M A REGULAR VOLUNTEER AT HSS. HSS IS A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZE THAT CONDUCTS SOCIAL CULTURAL AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS FOR OUR HINDI-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. TODAY HSS VOLUNTEERS ALONG WITH MYSELF CAME HERE TO CELEBRATE THE HINDU TRADITION WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL. TRADITIONALLY, THE FESTIVAL IS CELEBRATED ON FULL MOON DAY OF HINDU MONTH ON AUGUST 27TH.

ON THIS DAY, SISTERS TRADITIONALLY TIE IRAQI, SACRED TO THEIR BROTHERS AND PRAY FOR THE SAFETY AND LONG LIFE OF THEIR BROTHERS. IN HSS.

WE EXTEND THIS TRADITION BEYOND SIBLING HOOD TO FRIENDSHIP AND EMPHASIZING THE HINDU VALUE OR RECOGNIZING THE ENTIRE WORLD AS OUR FAMILY. EVERY YEAR WE CELEBRATE AS UNIVERSAL ONENESS SAY AT HSS. INSTEAD OF LIMITING THE TRADITION, WE EXPAND THE MEANING OF THE PROTECTIVE THREAD TO HONOR PUBLIC SERVANTS, CIVIC LEADERS AND COMMUNITY PROTECTORS AS A SYMBOL OF MUTUAL RESPECT SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND A SHARED GLOBAL GOAL OF FAMILY HOOD.

ON BEHALF OF HSS. I THANK ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY FOR CELEBRATING THIS BEAUTIFUL TRADITION US. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. AND OUR INVOCATION THIS EVENING IS KANTOR MELISSA COHEN FROM CONGREGATION.

>> AS WE GATHER TONIGHT OUR THOUGHTS REMAIN WITH THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS WHO HAVE FACED THE BURDENS OF THE HEAVY RAINS AND LOCALIZED FLOODING IN OUR COMMUNITY. EVENTS LIKE THESE REMIND US HOW QUICKLY THE WATERS CAN RISE DISRUPTING OUR DAILY LIVES AND TESTING OUR COLLECTIVE STRENGTH. IN THE STORY OF NOAH, FLOODING BRINGS HARDSHIP AND FEAR, YET THIS ANCIENT NARRATIVE IS NOT ABOUT THE FEAR ITSELF BUT ENDURANCE, FAITH AND THE PROMISE THAT FOLLOWS. WHEN THE WATERS RECEDED, A SIGN WAS SET IN THE SKY AS A LASTING SYMBOL OF HOPE, RENEW AND RESPONSIBILITY TO CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER AND THE GROUND BENEATH OUR FEET. PSALM 29 REMINDS US -- WATERS GRANTING US WITH STRENGTH AND PEACE.

IN THE SAME SPIRIT OF RESILIENCE.

MAY WE WORK TOGETHER WITH WISDOM AND FORESIGHT TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THIS MOMENT INSPIRE US TO SERVE WITH PATIENCE, COMPASSION AND A STEADFAST DEDICATION TO THE SAFETY TO ALL WHO CALL CARMEL HOME.

WE PRAY OUR GOD GRANT TO OUR CITY AND THESE, ESTEEMED COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FULFILL OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO ONE ANOTHER.

MAY OUR ELECTED LEADERS, VOLUNTEER AND ALL WHO HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE CELEBRATE WITH WISDOM, FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE.

WATCH OVER FIRST RESPONDERS AND THOSE ENTRUSTED WITH OUR SAFETY

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>> THE ONE WHO PROTECTS PEACE ON HIGH BRING PEACE TO OUR CITY AND COUNTRY AND WE BE KEPT IN SAFETY AND WE SAY TOGETHER, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS ]

JUST WANT TO MENTION THREE PRIOR TO THE NATURAL DISASTERS, THIS BODY DID A GROUP PROJECT AND WE FELT WE COULD DO IT A LITTLE BETTER AND GOT A LITTLE OVER OUR SKIS AND CALLED THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND THEY SENT OUT JEREMY ADDLEMAN, STORM BINGHAM AND BRYCE POWELL AND THEY WERE A TREMENDOUS HELP TO THE COUNCIL HELPING OUT ANOTHER RESIDENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THEM.

AS WE DO ALL OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES.

RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

FIRST UP MR. SWANSON. ON DECK WILL BE COACH.

>> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS PHILIP SWANSON, RESIDENT NORTH OF HAMILTON COUNTY ABOUT 30 MINUTES NORTH OF HERE. I WORK AND WORSHIP HERE IN CARMEL, INDIANA, AND I LIVED IN THIS STATE SINCE I MOVED HERE IN 2022. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TODAY ABOUT THE PROLIFERATION OF SECURITY CAMERAS THAT HAVE COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY. IT STANDS AS AN OVER SURVEILLANCE THAT IS ENCROACHING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

IN 2024, REPUBLICAN LEADERS RAN ON THE AGENDA OF OPPOSING WHAT WAS KNOWN AS THE CORONAVIRUS OF 16 CITIES IF YOU RECALL.

THIS HAS BEEN A CONCERN THAT MANY VOTERS RESPONDED TO AND ACTIVATED DURING THE LAST ELECTION.

WHAT GOT OUT TO SUPPORT NATIONALLY IN STATE.

WE CREATED THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED FOR THESE 15-MINUTE CITIES WITH THE INSTALLATION OF FLOCK CAMERAS.

THESE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS ARE THE REQUISITE TOOL FOR THOSE POLICIES TO BE INITIATED. WE NEVER GOT A CHOICE AS THESE CAMERAS LOOKING AT OUR HOMES AND STARINGA THE OUR CARS.

AND THIS WAS A FUNDAMENTAL VIOLATION OF OUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT, WHICH IS A BROAD PROTECTION OF OUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN WITH THE CONTINUED PROLIFERATION AND OFFER COMMUNITY PUSH BACK TO SAY PEOPLE WHO LIVE, WORK AND PRAY IN THE COMMUNITY DO NOT WANT THESE CAMERAS. WE NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO EXPRESS OUR OPPOSITION AND I BELIEVE MORE SHOULD BE DONE TOWARDS GRANTING THAT SOVEREIGNTY BACK TO THE PEOPLE TO HAVE A VOICE ON WHAT WE WANT TO BE SURVEILLED LIKE THIS AND YIELD ANY REMAINING TIME I HAVE BACK TO THE FLOOR.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHARLIE DEMLER.

>> ON DECK WILL BE DAKOTA CRAWFORD.

>> AND I BELIEVE MR. DEMLER WOULD LIKE THE OVERHEAD.

>> NO, ON MY PHONE. MY NAME IS CHARLIE DEMLER, I LIVED IN CARMEL SINCE 1980 AND ADDRESSED THIS CITY COUNCIL NUMEROUS TIMES. THERE ARE A FEW INCLUDING MAYOR WHO ABOUT FIVE YEARS LATER IN BUCKINGHAM BEGAN TO BUILD AN

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APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE PICTURE VERY WELL. I'M TRYING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE PICTURE LOOKED LIKE -- RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS WHAT LOOKED BEHIND MY HOUSE.

I HAD A POOL. I MIGHT SOMETIMES SWIM NAKED.

THIS IS WHAT THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY LOOKED LIKE.

AND I WANT THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT AND TAKE ME AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ALLOW BUILDERS TO BUILD RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENCE. HERE IS WHAT MY PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE NOW. THIS IS WHAT MY PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE NOW. SIX STORIES AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE. I CAN SEND TO YOU IN E-MAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE. SIX STORIES LOOKING EXACTLY RIGHT DOWN INTO THE BACK OF MY POOL.

I HAVE LOST ALL PRIVACY. I WOULD LIKE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO THINK, IF THIS WAS YOUR BACKYARD, WOULD YOU HAVE APPROVED A SIX STORY BUILDING HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER BUILDING NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA? THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I WILL SAY BUCKINGHAM, THE BUILDER HAS BEEN A GREAT NEIGHBOR.

I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD NUMEROUS ISSUES THEY HAVE CAUSED ME AND THEY HAVE CLEANED THOSE ISSUES UP. SO I'M NOT BASHING BUCKINGHAM SO MUCH. I'M BASHING THE APPROVAL PROCESS OF THE BODY OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.

THEY WERE SOME OF YOU ON THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ALL APPROVED THIS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE AND LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF YOU WANT THAT IN YOUR BACKYARD.

I ONLY HAVE A FEW SECONDS LEFT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION I WAS A PERSON THAT THE FLOCK CAMERAS HELPED.

TWO YEARS AGO I WAS THREATENED BY SOMEONE, CARMEL POLICE DID GREAT. TALKED ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS AND KNEW IF THE PERSON WAS GOING TO COME INTO HAMILTON COUNTY.

FAST FORWARD TO NOW, THE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE BEING BROKEN INTO EVERYWHERE. POLICE OFFICERS ARE GETTING FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S HAPPENING IN CARMEL BUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. FLOCK CAMERAS NEED TO BE MONITORED AND GET RID OF THE DATA IN 30-DAYS AND BE DONE WITH

IT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. JUST A REMINDER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, WHEN IT TURNS YELLOW, 30 SECONDS AND RED FINISH YOUR

SENTENCE. >> BEFORE I START, I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCILORS AND THE MAYOR AND OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES WHO WORKED TIRELESSLY INTO THE WEEKEND AND LAST WEEK AS WE DEALT WITH THE FLOODING AND ISSUES IN THE COUNTY.

I KNOW IT'S TIRELESS AND MAYBE DON'T GET AS MANY THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. I AM DAKOTA CRAWFORD.

I LIVE IN GRAMMERCY WEST. I AM HERE TO OPPOSE A DISMOUNT FOR BICYCLISTS. IT'S ON THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT AND DISCUSSED AT LAST WEEK'S LAND USE MEETING.

SO I WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE REAL SAFETY RISKS THAT THE DISMOUNT ZONE AIMS TO ADDRESS.

WE HAVE SEEN A NATIONWIDE UPTICK AMONG ADULTS AND RIDERS PUTTING THEMSELVES AND OTHERS IN DANGER ON E-BICYCLES.

WE SHOULD WORK TOWARDS SOLUTIONS.

I KNOW WE'RE ALL LIKE MINDED IN TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO KEEP THE TRAIL SAFE. I KNOW THERE ARE IDEAS FROM SIGNAGE TO ENCOURAGE WRITING. SIGNAGE THAT REMINDS PEDESTRIANS TO BE ALERT AND HELP POLICE BAD BEHAVIOR AND ONE OF SIMPLEST FIXES IS TO REQUIRE A DRIVER'S LICENSE FOR THESE ELECTRIC OR MOTORIZED DEVICES. GIVES US A CLEAR WAY TO CHECK WHO IS USING THEM ON THE TRAIL. A DISMOUNT ZONE NEXT TO ART WITH A GIRL LEARNING TO BIKE AND A COUNTER FEEL DEEPLY IRONIC AND UNDERMINES DECADES OF PROMISE WE HAVE SEEN IN OUR CITY.

THE MONON WAS BUILT FOR BICYCLES AND A UNIQUELY SUCCESSFUL NETWORKS OF GREEN WAYS AND PATHS THAT MAKE BIKING A LEGITIMATE FORM OF CONVERSATION. WE JUST PASSED BLOOMINGTON FOR THE HIGHEST BIKING AVAILABILITY IN INDIANA AND THE NUMBER ONE

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TO NAVIGATE OUR CITY WITHOUT A CAR IS RARE IN AMERICA AND ESPECIALLY IN INDIANA. WE SHOULD DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT SUCCESS AND FIND MORE WAYS TO ADD MORE SPACES FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS. I WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE EVERYONE HERE TO IMAGINE THE NEXT TIME A CAR HITS A PEDESTRIAN AT A ROUNDABOUT, IMAGINE ABOUT EVER WRITING AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL REQUIRE DRIVERS TO COME TO A COMPLETE STOP, EXIT THEIR CARS AND CHECK FOR PEDESTRIANS BEFORE TAKING OFF AGAIN. I KNOW IT SOUNDS EXTREME AND IN MY MIND IS AN AVID TRAIL USER. THE DISMOUNT IS RADICAL.

IN MY VIEW THAT'S A MISTAKE. THE MONON HAS MADE BICYCLING A LEGITIMATE FORM OF TRANSPORTATION.

I HOPE THE COUNCIL AND CITY LEADERS WILL LOOK AT MORE REASONABLE IDEAS AND I THANK YOU NEAR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

>> THANK YOU. DAKOTA.

RYAN AND ON DECK IS ADAM. >> I AM RYAN HELLIER AND HAVE BEEN AROUND THE CARMEL AREA FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE MASS SURVEILLANCE SPECIFICALLY THE FLOCK CAMERAS. CARMEL HAS BUILT 100 OF THESE IN AND AROUND THE AREA. IT'S GOTTEN SO BAD TO THE POINT I CAN'T EVEN GO TO CHURCH WITHOUT BEING SURVEILLED BY THESE CAMERAS. I LOOKED IT UP.

IT'S AN INCREDIBLE BREECH OF AMERICA'S FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FREEDOM. IN JUNE, DETERMINED THAT BIG TECH COMPANIES CANNOT SHARED DETAILED LOCATION INFORMATION WITH AUTHORITIES WITHOUT A WARRANT.

OBVIOUSLY FLOCK CAMERAS DO THIS. THIS IS A MASSIVE VIOLATION OF AMERICANS FORTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

AND BEYOND THAT, NO ONE WAS ASKED PERMISSION TO BUILD THEM.

I CERTAINLY WAS NOT ASKED PERMISSION BACK IN 2021 WHEN I LIVED IN CARMEL AND I'M SURE YOU HAVEN'T ASKED ANYONE ELSE PERMISSION SINCE THEN. YOU KNOW.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A REFERENDUM OF THE CARMEL POPULOUS ON WHAT THEY REALLY THINK OF THE CAMERAS.

YOU'RE SPENDING $300,000 A YEAR ON THEM.

HAVE YOU ACTUALLY ASKED ANYONE IF THEY LIKE THIS AND BEING SURVEILLED? IF THEY LIKE BEING TRACKED OR TREATED LIKE CRIMINALS. THAT'S A MASSIVE VIOLATION OF AMERICANS RIGHTS AND I HATE TO SEE THAT IN CARMEL, WHICH IS A CITY I LOVE. I ASK THE CITY COUNCIL NOT JUST TO UPON TO THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCK BUT TO TAKE DOWN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS BECAUSE IT'S A MASSIVE VIOLATION OF AMERICANS FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. HELLIER.

MR. MOORE. >> ON DECK IS MIKE COHEN.

>> MY NAME IS ADAM. THE MONON TRAIL IS OUR PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR AND USE IT TO GO TO SCHOOL, GET GROC GROCERIES.

VOLUNTEER AND ATTEND THIS MEETING.

I WATCHED THE LAND USE EARLIER THIS MONTH AND SHARED THE CONCERNS. I FULLY SUPPORT CURBING DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR. A MANDATORY DISMOUNT ZONE PENALIZES EVERYDAY RIDERS. IT CREATES ADDED CONGESTION ON FOOT. FURTHERMORE, A BLANKET RULE WILL NOT STOP THE RIDERS ALREADY IGNORING THE RULES.

I URGE THE COUNCIL FOR EDUCATION.

PLEASE PRESERVE AS A MEANS OF >> THANK YOU.

SIR. >> MIKE.

AND LAST UP, KELLY NEGY ON DECK. >> ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE I BEGIN, I WANT TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TOWARDS THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, RESCUE TEAMS, VOLUNTEERS AND BUSINESSES FOR PROFESSIONALISM, COMMUNICATION TOWARD THE CITY COUNTY AND STATE OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS.

THE SHEER VOLUME OF INFORMATION AND IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE AVAILABLE TO FOLKS IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF.

WE AS A CITY SHOWED UP FOR EACH OTHER IN A TIME OF NEED AND I BELIEVE IT TO BE WORTHWHILE GOING FORWARD WHEN TIMES GET TOUGH. I REALIZE THAT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS WHEN I SPEAK ABOUT TONIGHT IS A COMPARATIVELY

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I BELIEVE THIS WILL NOT DISCOURAGE THE BEHAVIORS AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL PUNISH PEOPLE IT IS NOT INTENDED TO PUNISH. I HAVE WITNESSED AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR BY KIDS AND ADULTS RIDING TOO FAST AND NOT DURING WHAT I ASSUME IS PEAK HOURS. THE RIDING BEHAVIOR IS NOT GOING TO BE LIMITED TO PEAK HOURS IN THE SPECIFIC SECTION.

I WONDER WHAT ENFORCEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I FEEL IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THOSE RIDES UPWARDS OF 20 MILES AN HOUR. I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO THINK BIGGER ON THE ISSUE. OR AT LEAST THINK DIFFERENTLY AND ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOR TO CHANGE.

I THINK THIS IS INCREDIBLY CROWDED AND A MANDATORY DISMOUNT WON'T WORK DURING THE PEAK HOURS.

I NOTICE SOME TAKE MONAN BOULEVARD.

THE CAR TRAFFIC FROM MAIN STREET TO FIRST STREET SOUTHWST THROUGH THE BOULEVARD CREATES ANOTHER CONFLICT POINT WITH VEHICLE TRAFFIC IN A PEDESTRIAN AREA.

I BELIEVE IT'S TIME TO CONSIDER CLOSING DOWN WHEN CARS AND TRUCKS HAVE THE SAME ACCESS ENTERING FROM THE EAST AND WEST ON FIRST STREET SOUTHWEST. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I USE THIS EXPECT SECTION AS A WAY TO GET GROCERIES, COMMUTE TO WORK AND ATTEND THIS VERY COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT.

HAVING TO DISMOUNT ADDS TIME TO MY COMMUTE.

IS AWKWARD WITH A TRAILER AND CAN BE DISRUPTIVE PEDESTRIANS WHEN I HAVE TO STOP SUDDENLY AND DISMOUNT.

I HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON OTHER CITIZENS WHO NEED A TRIKE FOR STABILITY OR EBIKE OR PARENTS WHO CARRY KIDS, CARGO ON THEIR BIKES. THEY TEND TO BE HEAVY AND UNWIELDLY TO DISMOUNT AND WALK. PERSONALLY, MY COMMUTER BIKE AND I HAVE LIVE WITH THE INCONVENIENCE, BUT IT'S DEEPLY UNFAIR TO THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE AS ABLE-BODIED AS I AM.

FOR THOSE WHAT RECEIVED A SILVER RATING, IT CONFUSES ME WE WOULD JUMP TO AN UNFRIENDLY BICYCLE RULE.

I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.

BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THIS OPTION WILL BACK FIRE FOR EVERY INVOLVED AND I HUMBLY OBJECT TO THE PROPOSAL.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND MS. KELLY NEGY.

>> OKAY. >> HELLO EVERYONE.

FEELS STRANGE TO STAND HERE TO TALK ABOUT MICROMOBILITY WHILE PEOPLE'S HOMES ARE UNDER WATER. FIRST THANK YOU FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE RESPONSE AND DEDICATION TO THIS CITY.

SO LET'S IMAGINE A BETTER TIME. BACK IN TIME TO A PERFECT SUMMER EVENING A FEW YEARS AGO. WE WERE IN TOWN FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY AT 3 UP. WE WERE PLANNING OUR MOVE BACK HOME TO INDIANA AND DECIDING TO LIVE.

WE WERE LOOKING AT FISHERS AND ZIONSVILLE AND CARMEL WASN'T ON THE RADAR. THEN I WALKED ON TO THE ROOF TOP AND SAW THE MONAN IN ALL ITS GLORY.

THE TONS OF BIKERS, KIDS PLAYING.

PEOPLE WALKING AND RELAXING, IT WAS MAGICAL.

THAT WAS THE MOMENT I KNEW WE WERE GOING TO MOVE TO CARMEL.

WE HAVE A GEM. AND WHY THE NATIVE LANDSCAPING, BEAUTIFUL. BUILDINGS, AMENITIES WONDERFUL.

INFRASTRUCTURE TRULY WORLD CLASS.

BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING MORE FUNDAMENTAL.

PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE THERE. THEY CAN WALK, BIKE, GATHER AND EXIST LARGELY PROTECTED FROM FAST MOVING CARS.

AND I SAY THAT AS A MOM WHO SOMETIMES FEELS LIKE I LIVE IN MY MINIVAN BUT SOME PLACES ARE SPECIAL PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE THEY GIVE US A BREAK FROM THE NOISE, THE EXHAUST AND THE STRESS OF CARS. SO WHAT DOES THIS ALL HAVE TO DO WITH MICROMOBILITY? WELL, APPARENTLY, I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO LOVES DOWNTOWN CARMEL.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM OF POPULARITY. WHAT AN INCREDIBLE PROBLEM FOR A CITY TO HAVE. I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT ONE SOLUTION BEING DISCUSSED IS A MANDATORY DISMOUNT ZONE.

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INSTEAD OF RESPONDING TO THE POPULARITY BY RESTRICTING IT, LET'S BUILD FOR THE POPULARITY. THERE'S ONE UNDERUTILIZED AREA.

WHY NOT MAKE THESE A BICYCLE PRIORITY.

THE CARS, THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS TO FILTER TRAFFIC WHILE PRESERVING CONTROLLED ACCESS FOR DELIVERIES, VALET AND POLICE.

THERE ARE LONGER TERM SOLUTION SUCH AS BALLERS AND THERE ARE SHORT TERM SUCH AS CONES, WE CAN DO SEASONAL OPTIONS.

IN WEEKEND AND SUMMER AND DO SUMMER STREETS.

THANK Y'ALL. >> THANK YOU.

THAT IS ALL OF THE BLUE CARDS WE HAVE THIS EVENING.

I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THE ROBOTICS TEAM. >> WHO IS DOING THAT?

>> IT'S REALLY A JOY UP HERE TO RECOGNIZE OUTSTANDING CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF CARMEL, ESPECIALLY WHEN THOSE CITIZENS OF SHORT OF AN I M AND THEY ARE NOT FEET.

THEY ARE TALL IN THEIR OUTLOOKS AND PROGRESS AND WORKING TOWARDS

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ]

>> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS NAVDEEP SANE.

I COACH KIDS ON THE WEST SIDE. WE HAVE DOWN MEADOW.

COLLEGE GUARD AND CREEK SIDE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING OUR ROBOTICS PROBLEM FOR THE LAST THREE SEASONS. THREE COMPETITION SEASONS STARTING IN 2024 AND GETTING READY TO START OUR NEW SEASON IN A MONTH. IN OUR FIRST SEASON, WE WENT TO THE STATE COMPETITION. WE DIDN'T MAKE IT PAST THE STATE COMPETITION AND DECIDED WE WOULD WORK HARDER NEXT YEAR.

LAST YEAR WE MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT, THERE ARE ABOUT A THOUSAND ELEMENTARY TEAMS IN INDIANA, 122 OF THEM AND STATE CHAMPIONSHIP THAT WAS HAPPENED AT THE LOCAL STADIUM AND 18 OF THEM PROGRESSED TO COMPETE AT THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

THEY WERE ABOUT 420 TEAMS IN OUR DIVISION FROM 53 COUNTRIES.

REALLY PROUD MY TEAM STOOD UP THE END OF THE RANKINGS ABOUT 79 OF THE 420 TEAMS. WE WERE IN THE TOP 20%.

SO WE ARE HERE TO RECOGNIZE OUR TEAM.

WE HAVE NINE OF THE 11 CHILDREN HERE AND ROBOTICS TEACHES A LOT OF PROBLEM SOLVING. WORKING AS A TEAM WORK.

PERSEVERENCE AND I WILL INVITE MATTY, OUR YOUNGEST TEAM MEMBER TO READ WHAT SHE LEARNED FROM HER EXPERIENCE LAST SEASON AND GO AND GIVE PARTICIPATION CERTIFICATES BY THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MATTY.

YEAH. LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A CERTIFICATES FIRST AND THEN WHILE MATTY IS SETTING UP.

WE ALSO BROUGHT OUR LATEST ROBOT THAT WE WILL BE COMPETING IN.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE WILL PASS THAT OPPORTUNITY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HAPPY TO SHOWCASE WHAT OUR TEAM HAS BUILT SO FAR. SO, I WILL INVITE ARAF TO GET YOUR CERTIFICATE. AND NEXT IS ASWI.

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MATTY. NEXT UP ARE TWO OF MY CHILDREN.

MYRA. NEIL.

RONA AND THE LAST IS SAMUEL. TWO ADDITIONAL TEAM MEMBERS HAD A CONFLICT TODAY. CONNOR AND OLIVIA SULLIVAN COULD NOT MAKE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THEM AS WELL IN THEIR ABSENCE. THANK YOU.

SO, IF MATTY CAN AND JUST READ HER ESSAY.

AT THE END OF THE SEASON, I REQUEST EVERY TEAM MEMBER TO TELL ME AS A COACH WHAT DID THEY LEARN IN THE SEASON.

AND MATTY IS OUR YOUNGEST TEAM MEMBER.

WE HAD TEAM MEMBERS FROM EIGHT TO 12 YEARS OF AGE.

MADY WAS JUST EIGHT. I WILL HAVE HER READ HER ESSAY.

>> HELLO, MY NAME IS MADELINE ROSINSKI.

THIS SEASON I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT WORKING WITH OTHER KIDS AND BEING PART OF A TEAM. WHICH IS NEW TO ME BECAUSE I HADN'T BUILT ANYTHING BIG WITH A TEAM.

OUR TEAM CAPTAIN, OLIVIA HELPED US WORK TOGETHER.

IF A ROBOT FALLS OFF, SAM KNOWS HOW TO FIX IT.

IF THE BATTERY DIES, MYRA KNOWS WHAT TO DO.

WE LEARNED WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER WE CAN DO MUCH MORE THAN IF WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING OURSELVES.

SOMETIMES WE EVEN HELP OTHER TEAMS BY GIVING THEM PART FIST THEY ASK IF WE HAVE THEM. IT SHOWS THAT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER AS A ROBOTICS COMMUNITY.

EVERYONE ON OUR TEAM HAS A REALLY IMPORTANT JOB FROM THE LOADERS TO THE BUILDERS WE NEED EVERYBODY TO SUCCEED.

I LEARNED A LOT THIS SEMESTER. IT EVEN GETS LOPSIDED THESE ARE PROBLEMS WE NEED TO SOLVE AT PRACTICE AND COMPETITIONS.

WE LEARNED THAT PROBLEMS DON'T ALWAYS FIX THEMSELVES.

WE HAVE TO TRY MULTIPLE THING TO TRY AND FIX THEM.

IT'S REALLY COOL HOW EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT SKILL TO SOLVE WHAT GOES WRONG. THIS SEASON TAUGHT ME A LOT ABOUT NOT GIVING UP AND WHEN THINGS ARE HARD.

WE FACED MANY OBSTACLES LIKE WHEN OUR ROBOT DIDN'T WORK RIGHT DURING A MATCH. WE HAD TO KEEP TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS TO FIX IT. I ALSO LEARNED ABOUT LOSING WITH DIGNITY. IT'S KIND OF UPSETTING WHEN YOU LOSE A MATCH BUT YOU CAN'T CRY. YOU HAVE TO STAY POSITIVE AND EVEN THOUGH YOU GOT TO BE IN THE MATCH.

BEING ON A TEAM HELPS YOU STAY POSITIVE WHEN YOU LOSE.

AND WHEN WE LEARN, I LEARNED ABOUT WINNING WITH HUMILITY, WHICH MEANS SAYING THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED YOU GET THERE. I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO THANK OUR COACH. IT'S IMPORTANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO HELPED BECAUSE EVERYONE HELPED MAKE OUR ROBOTS SUCCEED. [APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THOSE ARE LESSONS I THINK WE'RE APPLYING TO OUR CURRENT SITUATION HERE IN CARMEL AS WELL. I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS APPLIED THEM AS WELL AS ALL THE TEAMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADY FOR THOSE GREAT WORDS. APPRECIATE IT.

>> CAN WE HAVE A PICTURE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL?

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS ]

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>> THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.

OKAY. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS.

LET'S HEAR IT FROM THE MAYOR. WE ALSO HAVE COUNTY COMMISSIONER CHRISTINE ALTMAN HERE WITH US TODAY AS WELL.

>> AS WELL AS CITY ENGINEER RED PEES AND DELAINE YOUNG.

ANYONE ELSE? >> TIM IS HERE AS WELL.

THE COUNTY COUNCILOR. EXACTLY.

WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL AN UPDATE REGARDING THE COMPLEX CAN UNFOLDING SITUATION WE HAVE EVER-EVOLVING SITUATION WITH THE FLOODING.

I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND TURN OVER TO CHRISTINE, BRAD AND LANE AND OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS.

FAIR? AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE CARMEL EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER WAS OPENED SATURDAY TO ADDRESS RAIN AND FLOODING THAT MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH HAD BEEN THROUGH. SATURDAY WAS EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY. I TOTAL OF 41 RESIDENTS HAD TO EVACUATE THEIR HOMES ALONG WITH 44 RESIDENTS FROM THE BIG FORD SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY. A TOTAL OF 215 HOMES HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. THE BIG FORD RESIDENTS WERE ABLE TO RETURN AND THE 41 HOMES WILL TAKE LONGER TO REOPEN.

ALL OF THOSE WERE DEENERGIZED BY DUKE ENERGY IN THE ESSENCE OF SAFETY. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GAS LEAKS AND UNSTABILITY OF HOMES. SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE BACK IN THEIR HOMES SURVEYING THE DAMAGE AND DOING THE PROCESS OF CLEAN UP. WE HAVE UPDATED SOCIAL MEAD OUTLINING HOW THE CITY CAN HELP RESIDENTS.

WE WILL BE EVALUATING AND COMMUNICATING WITH HAMILTON COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT A WIDER SCALE CLEAN UP INITIATIVE.

MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE VERY DRAMATIC PICTURES OF BRIDGE OVER BLUE WOODS CREEK ON HAZEL DELL PARKWAY THAT STARTED TO HAVE SOME FRACTURES IN IT LATE SATURDAY.

AS OF TODAY, ALL FOUR LANES ARE SITTING IN PARTIALLY IN THE CREEK. THAT STARTED AS A RESULT OF FLOOD WATERS COMING FROM THE RIVER ERODING THE BANK AND MAKING THE VERY WELL BUILT BRIDGE AND ROADWAY ABOVE IT UNSTABLE. I MENTIONED THAT WAS FROM FLOOD WATERS COMING FROM THE RIVER TO TOWARD THE QUARRY, OWNED MY MARTIN MARIETTA. THE PROBLEM WAS SATURDAY MORNING THOSE WATERS WERE A SMALL CREEK COMING TO THE RIVER.

SO AS THE PRESSURE, THERE'S THE DEPTH AND VOLUME OF THE RIVER INCREASED, IT CHANGED THE FLOW OF THE CREEK AND PUSHED WATER INTO THE QUARRY, WHICH WAS EMPTY AS OF SATURDAY.

NOW THE CAPACITY IS NINE BILLION GALLONS.

AROUND SIX AND A HALF, SEVEN BILLION GALLONS HAVE GONE INTO THAT. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE BATHTUB THAT MOTHER NATURE CREATED. BECAUSE THAT SEVEN BILLION GALLONS THAT DOESN'T GO DOWN FURTHER INCREASE THE FLOODING THAT HAPPENED DOWN STREAM. RIGHT NOW WE'RE CLOSELY WATCHING AS THE NEW CHANNEL OF WATER HAS DAMAGE TO THE BRIDGE IS MOVING TO THE NORTH AND EAST TO THE WHITE RIVER.

A CHANNEL GETTING DEEPER AND DEEPER TOWARD THE RIVER AND MUCH WIDER. BRAD WILL GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THIS. IT'S STILL LOOKING AT IT TODAY BEFORE WE CAME HERE, THE WATER IS VERY FAST MOVING.

SO, IF THIS CHANNEL JOINS THE WHITE RIVER DUE TO ITS DEPTH AND THAT OF THE RIVER, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE WHITE RIVER TO TAKE A NEW COURSE BECAUSE IT'S NOW THE LOWER PATH AND GOING INTO THE QUARRY.

ONCE THE QUARRY FILLS, IT WILL EQU EQU EQUALIZE, THE WATER COULD STOP FLOWING SOUTH AT THAT SITE. THE RIVER WILL STOP FLOWING SOUGHT AS ALL THE WATER MOVES INTO THE QUARRY.

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WE WANT YOU TO KNOW WE ARE WATCHING CLOSELY AND WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS. WE DON'T MEAN TO FRIGHTEN ANYBODY OR CONCERN ANYBODY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE AWARE WE ARE WATCHING THIS AND TRYING TO MEASURE THE EFFECTS OF THIS AND WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT THIS.

I WANT TO INTRODUCE COMMISSIONER CHRISTINE ALTMAN AND THE ROLE OF

THE EOC AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT >> GOOD EVENING.

IT'S NOT RAINING. IT'S GOOD.

WE ACTIVATED OUR EOC ON THURSDAY.

BEING A COUNTY ORGANIZATION, WE OBVIOUSLY HAD ISSUES ALL ALONG WHITE RIVER. HAD A LOT OF EVACUATIONS NORTH.

I JUST CAN'T THANK OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ENOUGH FOR THE HEROISM AND THE SKILL THEY EMPLOYED IN KEEPING EVERYONE SAFE. WE LOST PROPERTY.

BUT WE HAVEN'T LOST A LIFE IN THE COUNTY WHICH IS VERY COMMENDABLE. WE ARE CURRENTLY ACTIVE IN OUR EOC. MONITORING THE SITUATION.

THE BLUE WOODS CREEK IS A REGULATED DRAIN.

IT WAS RECONSTRUCTED BY MARTIN MARIETTA AS WE DO WITH LOTS OF DRAINS. YOU HAVE IT REVERSE COURSE PUTS STRAIN ON THE BRIDGE AND THE VELOCITY OF THE WATER SCOURED OUT. WE HAD HOPED, I GUESS FOOLISHLY THAT PERHAPS THIS WAS REPAIRABLE WHEN IT FIRST STARTED.

THE WATERS DID NOT RECEDE IN TIME AND THE PRESSURE HAS BEEN TOO MUCH. SO IT IS A FULL REPLACEMENT.

WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PROBLEMATIC FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO USE HAZEL DELL PARKWAY.

THE WAY THE JURISDICTION OF THAT ROADWAY WORKS IS AS A BRIDGE THAT'S 20 FEET OR LONGER, IT'S COUNTY BRIDGE AND COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY WITH RESPECT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION.

AND HAZEL DELL PARKWAY REMAINS UNDER YOUR JURISDICTION.

WE HAVE PLEDGED TO WORK AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND IN FACT HIGHWAY SPENT ALL DAY LOOKING AT VARIOUS PROCUREMENT METHODS, ANALYZING WHICH ENGINEERING FIRMS WOULD BE THE BEST FOR A QUICK RECOVERY OF THE ASSET. EVEN SAYING THAT WITH THE PERMITTING AND PROCUREMENT, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A QUICK FIX.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, BRIDGES ARE EXPENSIVE.

WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING BETWEEN SEVEN AND $10 MILLION TO REPLACE THE STRUCTURE. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES HAVING LOOKED AT YOUR PARK AND IT'S TRULY PHENOMENAL WHAT THE WATER HAS DONE.

BUT WE'RE HERE TO WORK WITH YOU AND WE WILL WORK WITH YOU AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN TO RESTORE THAT ASSET.

AND TRY TO MAKE AS WHOLE AS WE CAN.

AND ALSO, THERE WILL BE RECONSTRUCTION AGAIN OF BLUE WOODS CREEK AND A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

QUITE HONESTLY, MARTIN MARIETTA HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT PARTNER.

WHEN, IT'S WHEN THE REST OF BRIDGE GOES DOWN.

WE HAVE A BATHTUB TO PUT IT IN THE QUARRY.

BUT YET IT WILL BE ANOTHER RECOVERY ISSUE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHETHER THEY FINALLY GET TO THEIR ASSETS UNDER WATER.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I'M SURE EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I WILL TRY TO WALK THROUGH THAT AND DESCRIBE AS BEST I CAN WITH AS LEAST ENGINEERING TERMS AS POSSIBLE. I WANT MY CHANCE TO SHOUT OUT TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT WHO WAS OUT THERE FEVERISHLY TO PUT OUT RIPRAP. WHEN I ASK THEM TO JUMP, THEY DON'T SAY HOW HIGH. THEY SAY WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK SOONER. THEY ARE OUT THERE DUMPING ROCK TO PROTECT OUR FACILITIES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP I HAVE UP

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AND AGAIN, THAT FLOWS AND TAKES WATER FROM ACROSS GRAY NORTHWEST OF 106 AND GRAY. AROUND THE MARTIN MURRIETA SITE.

AS THEY HAVE PUMPING ACTIVITIES PUMPS INTO THIS CREEK AND WOULD FLOW EASTWARD INTO THE WHITE RIVER.

SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT FLOW BUT IT IS CONTINUOUS FLOWING CREEK NORMALLY. AS THE WATERS ROSE, IT PUSHED BACK. AT SOME POINT WHERE THAT ORANGE LINE STARTS TO THE SOUTHWEST THERE, THE BANK OF THE RIVER WAS BREACHED AND WATER THEM STARTED FLOWING INTO THE QUARRY.

THAT CREATED A SUCTION EVENT AND HIGHLY EROSIVE EVENT.

THEN STARTED PULLING BACK THE MATERIAL.

THAT LOWERED THE ELEVATION IN THAT CREEK SIGNIFICANTLY, FIVE TO 10 AND NOW 15 FEET. IT'S NOW 15 FEET LOWER AND WORKS ITS WAY EASTWARD. IT STARTED THERE SOME TIME SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND HAS BEEN DOING THAT EVER SINCE AND MOVED EASTWARD TOWARD THE BRIDGE. AS THE MAYOR SAID.

IT'S A WELL-CONSTRUCTED BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING BELOW IT IS GONE.

THE BRIDGE WHILE TECHNICALLY STANDING WILL BE A LOSS INTO THE QUARRY. THAT HAS SINCE MOVED FURTHER EAST. YOU CAN SEE A NORTH/SOUTH LINE.

THAT IS A WATER LINE, 30 INCH AND 12 INCH WATER LINE.

BOTH HAVE COLLAPSED AND ARE NO LONGER FUNCTIONING.

THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS REDUNDANT SERVICES SO ALL SERVICES ARE ENACTED. IT WAS ABOUT IT THERE AT THAT WATER LINE OR 50 FEET EAST OF THERE AT 8 O'CLOCK WHEN WE LEFT THE SITE AND SHOWED UP AT 6 O'CLOCK MORNING.

IT MOVED 200 FEET. SIGNIFICANTLY TRACING BACK TOWARD THE WHITE RIVER AND SERVE AS ANOTHER EROSION POINT.

COMPROMISING OUR WASTEWATER AND OTHER ASSETS.

THERE'S ALSO A WELL IN THE AREA. THE STREET DEPARTMENT WAS OUT THERE TODAY PLACES RIPRAP AND STOPPING THAT CONDITION.

IT WAS A LOWER FLOW. THE REASON WE HADN'T DONE IT ON ANY OTHER WATER. IT'S 2.8 MILLION GALLONS A MINUTE FLOWING AND YOU SIMPLY CAN'T ACCESS THAT.

NO AMOUNT OF DUMPING RIPRAP OR OTHER MATERIAL WOULD HAVE STOPPED. IT JUST WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOSS TO THE QUARRY. THAT HAS CONTINUED AGAIN.

YOU CAN SEE THE SORT OF YELLOWISH LINE THERE IS THE FORCE MAINS, 30 INCH AND 20 INCH FORCE MAINS.

THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN REACHED AND OVER THE LAST SIX HOURS, IT'S SLOWED SIGNIFICANTLY. IT'S POSSIBLE IT'S MOVING THROUGH DIFFERENT MATERIAL CLAY OR SAND.

EARLIER TODAY, BASED ON THE PROGRESSION.

AS EARLY AS 3:00 P.M., WE THOUGHT THAT ORANGE LINE WOULD CONNECT TO THE RIVER. IF THE ORANGE LINE MAKES ITS WAY TO THE RIVER, THAT'S NOW 15 FEET LOWER THAN IT WAS BEFORE.

IT BECOMES NINE FEET LOWER THAN THE EXISTING WHITE RIVER.

IT BECOMES THE NEW WHITE RIVER. FOR A BRIEF PERIOD AT THAT POINT WHERE THE BLUE LINE MEETS THE WHITE RIVER, ALL FLOW OR SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE FLOW COULD DIVERT TOTALLY INTO THE QUARRY. SOUTH OF THERE, THERE WOULD BE NO WATER AND IT WOULD POTENTIALLY DRY OUT.

IT WOULD TAKE BETWEEN TWO AND SIX HOURS FOR THE QUARRY TO FILL, DEPENDING ON WHEN THIS HAPPENS AND THE WATER WILL THEN COME BACK EAST AND GO BACK TO THE WHITE RIVER.

WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ALL PARTNERS TO THE SOUTH THAT WOULD BE EFFECTED BY THE FACT THE WHITE RIVER WOULDN'T HAVE WATER AND THOSE AGENCIES WILL BE PREPARED TO REACT IF THAT BECOMES A REALITY. IF THAT ORANGE LINE DOES TRACE BACK, WE WOULD LOSE THE FORCE MAIN.

IT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY HIGHLY VIOLENT OR ANOTHER EROSIVE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE EIGHT MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A MINUTE THAT GO THROUGH THE WHITE RIVER RIGHT NOW ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND POTENTIALLY ERODE AND CREATE A LARGER PATH THAT IT ALREADY HAS TO THE WEST TOWARDS HAZEL DELL.

AGAIN AT THAT MOMENT BRIDGE WILL CERTAINLY BE SWEPT AWAY AND THE LARGER PORTION OF HAZEL DELL. AS OF 10:00 A.M. YESTERDAY, THE ROAD HAS NOT ERODED FURTHER. WE PUT MARKS DOWN TO KIND OF SEE THE PROGRESS AND SO WE'VE NOT SEEN EROSION OF THE ROAD BECAUSE THE WATER LINE HAS DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND SO THE CHANNEL IS GETTING SMALLER NOW FINALLY AND JUST

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DOES IT SPEEDUP OR SLOW DOWN? I WILL LET LANE, I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I WILL LET LANE ADDRESS THE UTILITIES.

>> THANK YOU. BRAD.

SO, WE STARTED NOTICING ISSUES SATURDAY MORNING PRETTY EARLY.

OBVIOUSLY AS THE WHITE RIVER WAS GOING OVER RIVER ROAD AND 122ND AS IT WAS FLOODING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR MAN HOLES MADE FOR RAIN EVENTS AND STORMS WERE NOT MADE FOR EIGHT FEET OF RIVER WATER TO SIT ON THEM AND WORK ITS WAY DOWN.

OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM WAS STARTING TO SURCHARGE.

PROBABLY AT 9:00 A.M. ON SATURDAY, WE STARTED PUMPING OUT OF THOSE AND JUST DEWATERING THE RIVER FROM OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM. IT WAS MOSTLY RIVER WATER AND OBVIOUSLY MIXING IN. WE KEPT A CLOCK GOING AND AS OF LAST NIGHT WE WERE ABLE TO STOP THE INFLOW HAD STOPPED.

SO WE WERE DOWN TO NORMAL FLOWS LAST NIGHT.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE FIRST THING THAT WE ADDRESSED.

THE NEXT THING WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THEN ONCE WE KIND OF KNEW THAT WAS GOING ON WAS IT IS 103 LIFT STATION.

JUST NORTH OF THE LITTLE BLUE CURVE THAT -- THAT YELLOW DOT.

SO, THE WATER WAS CONTINUING TO RISE, AND 90% OF OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM FLOWS THROUGH THAT STRUCTURE TO OUR TREATMENT PLANT. AND SO IT HAD THE WATER BREECH THAT AND SHUT THAT OFF AND WE WOULD HAVE LOST THAT LIFT STATION AND WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONVEY.

THAT WAS A CONCERN. WE WERE THERE.

WE TOOK SAND BAGS AND OTHER THINGS.

AND THANKFULLY, THE WATER DIDN'T RISE ENOUGH.

WE THINK WE PROBABLY HAD 30 INCHES LEFT.

24 TO 30 INCHES WHEN IT KIND OF FINALLY CRESTED BEFORE IT WOULD HAVE BREACHED THAT. SO THAT STARTED SUBSIDING AND WAS POSITIVE. THAT KIND OF SETTLED THINGS AND GOT US BACK TO THINKING ABOUT THE DRINKING WATER SYSTEM.

WE HAVE SIX ELEVATED WELLS ALONG THE RIVER.

TWO OF THEM ARE AT 116 AND RIVER ROAD JUST SOUTH OF 116.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ONE RIGHT THERE AT HAZEL DELL LANDING PARK. THE ONE RIGHT THERE.

YOU'VE GOT ONE. YOU SEE THE SOLAR FIELD THERE.

THERE'S ONE AT THE NORTH END OF THAT AND TOWARD THE SOUTH END AND WE HAVE A WELL AT OUR WASTEWATER PLANT AT 96 AND HAZEL DELL. SO ALL OF THOSE INITIALLY HAD ISSUE EXCEPT FOR WELL 20. WELL 20 CONTINUED TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION, 27 AND 28 LOST POWER. IN ORDER FOR US TO RESET THOSE THINGS, WE CAN DO A LOT REMOTELY BUT IN ORDER TO RESET THOSE, WE HAVE TO GET TO THE WELLS. WELL, WE COULDN'T GET TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE SO FAR UNDER WATER.

EVENTUALLY, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THAT WAS THE ONLY IMPACT TO THE WATER SYSTEM WAS JUST THE LOSS OF THOSE WELLS. BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH WELLS, NORTH OF HERE, WE HAVE ENOUGH RAW WATER SOURCE TO TREAT AND KEEP OUR SYSTEM GOING. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DISRUPTION IN OUR DRINKING WATER AND NO BREECH OF ANYTHING THAT CONTINUES TO BE SAFE. AS THAT EVENT HAPPENED AND STARTED AT 3 O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY.

I THINK IT STARTED A LITTLE SOONER THAN THAT.

AS THAT STARTED THE OTHER WAY AND THE BRING WAS GOING OUT.

OUR 30-INCH RAW WATER MAIN AND 12-INCH TREATED WATER MAIN WERE COMPROMISED BECAUSE AS THE UNDER BED WAS ERODED AWAY, THEY COLLAPSED. THE ONLY THING THAT THAT DRINKING WATER FEEDS IS OUR WASTEWATER PLANT.

IT NEEDS THAT WATER AS PART OF ITS TREAT PROCESS.

WE WERE ABLE TO SLOW THAT DOWN AND GET TANKERED WATER AND DID THAT UNTIL TODAY. WE WERE RUN TO RUN FIRE HOSE AND FROM TWO HYDRANTS FROM 96 AND GRAY TO HAZEL DELL TO GET WATER BACK TO THE PLANT. SO, WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR WASTEWATER OPERATIONS AND HAD TO ADJUST THE WAY WE DID THAT DURING THAT TIME FRAME. THAT'S PROBABLY IT ON THE WATER SIDE AND THE WATER SIDE HAS STAYED SAFE AND WE HAVE BEEN IN GREAT SHAPE. WE HAD NO REAL THREAT TO OUR DRINKING WATER. AS BRAD DESCRIBED, THE THREAT COMES WHILE I SHARED THAT LIFT STATION IS WHERE EVERYTHING

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IF THIS KEEPS WORKING ITS WAY UP BEFORE THE WHITE RIVER GETS DOWN LOW ENOUGH TO STOP IT, THOSE FORCE MAINS, WHICH ARE ABOUT 10 FEET BELOW WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CREEK BED.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT BED IS NOW.

WE HAVE JUST SEEN IT ERODE LOWER AND LOWER.

WE COULD GET DOWN TO 715 ELEVATIONS SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF THE CREEK BED GETS TO THAT ELEVATION, THE FORCE MAINS WILL BE EXPOSED, DEPENDING ON THE PRESSURE OF WATER.

IF THAT HAPPENS, WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICE BECAUSE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, WE WILL JUST PUMP WATER INTO THAT CHANNEL. IF THE EVENT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND IT ALL STAYS THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD FLOW INTO THE QUARRY. SOLIDS AND NATURE WILL SETTLE THEMSELVES OUT. THE CLEANER WATER WILL BE AT THE TOP. AND YOU KNOW THEN IT WILL BE A MATTER OF CLEANING THAT UP. THERE'S A LOT WORSE STUFF IN THE QUARRY. THEY HAD A LOT OF FUEL AND VARIOUS OTHER TOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSUMED BY THE WATER.

SO THAT'S OUR CONCERN RIGHT NOW. WE ARE WORKING FEVERISHLY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. THE PROBLEM IS THE WIDTH OF THE CREEK NOW CREATES A PROBLEM FOR BYPASS.

WE BYPASS ALL THE TIME. LARGE PIPES WE BYPASS.

BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A BYPASS, FUSE IT AND TO DO SPAN IS SUCH WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH CREATIVE WAYS TO SUPPORT THAT PIPE AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM ON SITE IN THE MORNING TO DIG PITS SHOULD THIS HAPPEN. WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THESE PITS ANYWAY. AS A BYPASS STRUCTURE SO THAT IF SOME OTHER TIME IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE FUTURE THAT HAPPENS, WE HAVE THE START OF THE STRUCTURE IN PLACE.

THAT'S REALLY IT FROM CARMEL UTILITIES.

>> JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THE QUESTION WILL COME UP.

WHY WEREN'T THINGS DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY OR LOOKING BACK, WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY? WHILE CARMEL DIDN'T GET A SIGNIFICANT A LOT OF RAIN BUT NOT WHAT WOULD CAUSE THIS.

OTHER COMMUNITIES TO THE NORTH DID.

WE ARE IN A Q 1,000 OR .1 PERCENT OF A STORM HAPPENING.

WE DON'T DESIGN TO A .1 CHANCE. THE BRIDGE ISN'T DESIGNED TO THIS. THIS LEVY AND RIVERBANK AREN'T DESIGNED FOR THAT. SUCH A LOW CHANCE OF SUCH A HUGE

STORM. >> I JUST WANT TO ADD TWO THINGS. THE PARTNERS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH INCLUDE OUR PARTNERS AT HAMILTON COUNTY, THE U.S. CORPS OF ENGINEERS. WILL FEMA, MARTIN MURRIETA.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MANY EXPERTS AROUND THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.

WE'RE ALL TRYING TO BRAIN STORM HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WE STOP THIS WATER FROM CHANNELLING. HOW CAN WE STOP THE SEWAGE FROM FLOWING IF IT DOES BREAK. IT'S DISHEARTENING FOR ACTION-ORIENTED PEOPLE WHICH IS ALL OF US ON THE CALLS HEARING IT'S TOO UNSTABLE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LET MOTHER NATURE DO HER THING BECAUSE THERE'S NO SOLUTION THAT WON'T PUT PEOPLE'S LIVES AT RISK.

SO VERY FRUSTRATING. CLEARLY.

BUT, WE HAVE APPROACHED THIS THING AS HOW DO WE SAVE LIVES AND PROTECT AETS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

14 MINUTES FROM THE BIG FORD SENIOR LIVING CENTER WENT THERE.

AS DID NUMEROUS OF OUR RESIDENTS.

THEIR GENEROSITY IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

AND WE HAD SO MANY RESIDENTS, I GOT AN E-MAIL TODAY, ADAM WAS COPIED ON IT SAYING I WANT TO DONATE $10,000 TO RESIDENTS AND HELP THE ISSUES THEY ARE FACING. SO MANY ISSUES OF VOLUNTEERISM, DOLLARS, PRAYERS, IT'S JUST GREATLY APPRECIATED.

IT'S WHAT MAKES CARMEL SO SPECIAL IS OUR RESIDENTS PAYING ATTENTION AND CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS.

I THINK YOU WOULD BE EXCEPTIONALLY PROUD OF YOUR CITY TEAM MEMBERS. SATURDAY SPENT LOTS OF HOURS WITH THEM AND JUST SEEING THE PRIDE, THE PROFESSIONALISM, THE CARING, AS THEIR PUMPING OUT MAN HOLES SO WE DON'T BACK UP SEWAGE ON INTO HOMES AS THEY LITERALLY HELP PEOPLE ON AND OFF BOATS AND

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SO TIME WELL SPENT AND DOLLARS WELL SPENT.

I WANT TO ADD THAT IN. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS. MR. PRESIDENT, IF YOU WANT TO

RUN THE DAIS. >> TAKE THEM.

GO AHEAD ADAM. >> I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SAID THIS IN YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS. EVEN THE WORSE CASE SCENARIO WE COULD BE LOOKING AT WITH WATER QUARRY HOMES THAT ARE TO THE NORTH OF THE QUARRY, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE RISK THEY WOULD BE

EFFECTED. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

EARLIER SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, THAT WAS OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.

IF THE QUARRY FILLS, WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE ARMY CORPS.

THE WATER LEVEL IN THE RIVER DROPPED ENOUGH THAT WE ARE SURE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BREECH THE CORNERS OF THE QUARRY AND CONTAIN IT. THE NEW LOWEST POINT IS HAZEL DELL. THE WATER WILL POTENTIALLY RUSH IN. IT WILL GO RIGHT BACK IN THE WAY IT CAME IF THERE'S ANY EQUALIZATION EVENT.

>> ALSO, COUNCILOR AAESEN. MARTIN MURRIETA ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE MINES. THEY ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ANY

INSTABILITY WITH THOSE AT ALL. >> YEAH, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEIR TEAMS AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL.

>> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT SNYDER.

LANE, I REALLY LIKE THE PHRASE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN, YOU HAVE BECOME CREATIVE. I APPRECIATE THOSE CREATIVE EFFORTS TO TRY AND MAINTAIN CLEAN DRINKING WATER AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR TOILETS DON'T BACK UP.

HAVING LIVING CLOSE TO THE WHITE RIVER AS SOME OF NOT ONLY OUR RESIDENTS, OUR MAYOR LIVES CLOSE TO THERE.

ADAM LIVES CLOSE TO THERE. I WANT TO THANK YOU.

I WANT TO THANK THE ENTIRE CITY STAFF FOR THEIR HARD WORK.

BUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS THIS, WITH THAT PUMP STATION TO THE NORTH THERE, IF BRAD MENTIONED THERE'S 1,000 YEAR FLOODS BUT ARE WE GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO BUILD UP THAT AREA? PROTECT THAT AREA GOING FORWARD? I KNOW IT'S A WOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE QUESTION, KNOWING THAT MIGHT HAVE FAILED IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE CONSIDERING?

>> I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

WE CAN WORK. WE WERE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT WATER. WE HOPE WE NEVER SEE THAT A LOT OF WATER AGAIN. WE WOULD TO HAVE LOOK AT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE? DO WE BUILD A NEW STATION? IN THE END, DO WE SAY THAT'S WORTH IT TO RAISE THAT UP A LITTLE HIGHER? THERE ARE THINGS WE COULD DO MORE COST EFFECTIVE. PART OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO BUY SPACE FOR WAS POWER. WHERE THE POWER COMES INTO THE STATION AND THE CONTROL CENTER RIGHT THERE, IS LOWER.

I THINK WE COULD FAIRLY COST EFFECTIVELY ELEVATE THAT TO A MUCH HIGHER PLACE ALONG THE BUILDING.

THAT WOULD BUY UP SEVERAL FEET. THE WATER WAS GETTING INTO THE INSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

IT'S GOT PUMPS. IF IT GOT HIGH ENOUGH AND KILLED THE POWER, THEN WE'RE IN TROUBLE.

WE CAN ALSO ELEVATE THE GENERATOR.

THAT WAS THE LEVEL WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT.

SO WE COULD COST EFFECTIVELY DO AND RETROFITTING AND ELEVATE THAT. THAT SHOULD BUY US QUITE A BIT MORE ELEVATION. I THINK THE QUESTION AND THEN BRAD COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THIS BETTER IS, DO WE LOOK AT BUILDING A BERM AND A LEVY ALONG THAT ROAD THERE THAT JUST BUYS US THAT MUCH MORE TIME TO DIRECT WATER.

SO THOSE WOULD BE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER.

>> YEP. THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT. THE ELECTRICITY IS VERY SCARY.

YOU NEED ELECTRICITY TO RUN THE PUMPS.

AND THEN JUST TWO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AND I WILL LET BRAD EXPLAIN. FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, HOW ABOUT WELLS DO WE HAVE IN CARMEL AROUND THE ENTIRE CITY? IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING FACT. WE HAVE 21.

>> SO WE LOST TWO. WE LOST THREE AT THE MOMENT.

WHEN I SAY LOST, THEY ALL CAN RUN.

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BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO INTO A PIPE SOURCE, TO GET IT BACK TO THE PLANT, THAT SOURCE IS BEEN CUT.

SO THOSE THREE SOUTHERN WELLS, SO IT'S THAT ONE NORTH OF THE SOLAR FIELD, THE ONE IF THE MIDDLE AND THE ONE AT OUR WASTEWATER PLANT. THOSE THREE, THAT PIPE THAT RAW

PIPE FEEDS THEM AND TAKES IT. >> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT WILL LET OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THEIR

TURN. >> COUNCILMEMBER.

CAN I DO A FOLLOW UP? >> OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF ANALYSIS WHEN THINGS ARE STABLE. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MONITOR THE SITUATION. MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS TRYING TO GET BACK TO THEIR HOMES.

MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY REMAINS AT A HIGH LEVEL.

BUT, CLEARLY, AS COMMISSIONER ALTMAN STATED, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CREEK. WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BRIDGE AND THE ROAD AND ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WE TAKE FOR GRANTED HOW MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE IS UNDER GROUND. IT'S TRULY AN INVISIBLE CITY UNDER THERE. WHEN YOU DRIVE BY AND SEE THE BEAUTIFUL WOODED FIELD. THERE'S WATER, SEWER, FIBER OPTIC AND GAS LINES EVERYWHERE. IT'S CERTAINLY COMPLEX.

THERE WILL BE A FORMAL FOR BOTH THE COUNTY, CITY, COLLABORATIVE AFTER-ACTION REVIEWS THAT ARE STANDARD ARE AFTER ANY INCIDENCE WHEN THERE'S A VARIANCY AND SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE DO.

YOU WILL GET THE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR.

I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND ALSO TO TIM. OUR COUNTY COUNCILOR FOR COMING TONIGHT AS WELL. APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

>> OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND TO ALL THE TEAM.

YOU HAVE I WOULD SAY, YOU REALLY HAVE BEEN THE SHINING EXAMPLE OF HOW TO HANDLE A SITUATION LIKE THIS.

SO I'M GRATEFUL TO THE TEAM. MY QUESTIONS, I KNOW THERE'S AIL OF WORK YET TO BE DONE. THE THING THAT I'M PROBABLY HEARING OR BEING ASKED MORE IS JUST REALLY COUPLE THINGS.

COMMISSIONER ALTMAN, I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THIS.

TO SET EXPECTATIONS, DO WE THINK THIS IS A TWO-YEAR BRIDGE FIX? A ONE-YEAR BRIDGE WEEK? ONE WEEK.

KIDDING. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT'S OKAY. I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD ASKING THE QUESTION. ARE WE TALKING A YEAR?

>> WE ARE PROBABLY REALISTICALLY LOOKING AT, AT LEAST TWO YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PERMITTING. BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING IN PERMIT AREA AND THEN MATERIALS AND CONTRACTING.

SO, I WOULD BE THRILLED TO GET THIS DONE IN TWO YEARS.

>> AND THERE'S NO OTHER -- >> YEAH.

AND WE MIGHT AS WELL SAY IT NOW. >> IT IS WHAT IT IS.

THAT WOULD BE ROCKET SPEED. >> SO, THEREFORE, CITY ENGINEER, DO WE NEED TO BE THINKING ANYTHING ABOUT GRAY ROAD? ARE WE PREPARED FOR -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AN ARTICLE.

KEYSTONE AND GRAY ROAD. IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS A COUNCIL AS FAR AS DOING ROAD WORK? TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT ROAD TO TAKE A LOT OF EXTRA TRAFFIC DOWN

THERE SOUTH. >> CERTAINLY WILL BE PART OF OUR REVIEW AND GETTING SOLID TIMES AND WHAT TIMELINES CAN WE MEET.

IS IT WORTH IT. HOW CLOSELY CAN WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IF NECESSARY OR WHAT KIND OF MOT WE GO THROUGH.

WE WILL REVIEW IT. IF WE HAVE A RECOMMEND WE WILL BRING TO YOU AND KNOW YOU WILL SUPPORT US.

>> EXACTLY. I WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT, I KNOW YOU'RE STILL WORRIED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

I'M GOING TO TRY AS I -- I WAS OUT THERE ON SATURDAY.

I GOT TO SAY THE OFFICERS, THE GENTLEMEN PUMPING THE STATION THERE AT 122ND. THEY ALL HAD THE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY TOP OF MIND. AND STAYING AND TALKING TO A YOUNG COUPLE THEY ARE ON, YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

THE WATER IS HALFWAY UP THEIR HOME.

THEIR DEVASTATED AND STILL VERY GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL FOR ALL THE HELP THEY WERE RECEIVING. SO MY NEXT QUESTION, MAYOR, DO WE THINK ABOUT DUMP TRUCKS AND PULLING OUT CARPET?

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>> ABSOLUTELY. OUR 1 O'CLOCK CALL WAS GOING TO BE DEBRIS REMOVAL. THIS TOOK PRECEDENCE.

WE TALKED ABOUT SIMILAR TO THE TORNADO CLEAN UP WHERE WE PUT DUMP TRUCKS OUT THERE. WE HAVE RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD AREAS THAT HAD LIMB DAMAGE BECAUSE THE STORMS WERE SIGNIFICANT THURSDAY, FRIDAY. CAN'T REMEMBER NOW.

WE HAVE LIMB REMOVAL WE CAN HELP WITH.

YES WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. THE STREET DEPARTMENT WAS MAKING CALLS TO REPUBLIC. WE'RE MAKING CALLS TO THE HAMILTON COUNTY SOLID WASTE AND THE ELECTRONICS.

WE DON'T WANT THAT GOING INTO THE REGULAR TRASH.

THOSE HAVE STARTED EARLIER TODAY.

AND SO, WE ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS WITH QUESTIONS TO PUT A REQUEST IF THROUGH 311 AND CALL THE HAMILTON COUNTY EOC.

THAT NUMBER IS ON OUR WEBSITE. THEY ARE CENTRALLY LOCATED WITH A MANNED CALL CENTER TO TAKE QUESTIONS.

THEY ARE STARTING TO DIVVY UP QUESTIONS AND HAVE RESIDENTS, IF THEY ARE IN NEED OF SHELTER AND WE ARE NOT COLLECTIVELY HAMILTON COUNTY, DECIDED NOT TO HAVE A SHELTER WITH COTS AND LACK OF PRIVACY BUT RATHER PUT PEOPLE IN HOTELS THAT ARE SAFE AND RELIABLE PLACES TO STAY. THE HAMILTON COUNTY EOC HAS BEEN FANTASTIC IN GETTING PEOPLE INTO TEMPORARY SHELTER.

OUR FANTASTIC HAMILTON COUNTY TRUSTEES ARE HELPING.

WE ALSO HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OFFER TO VOLUNTEER THEIR HELP.

IF YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED THEM TO CALL THE HAMILTON COUNTY EOC. THEY WILL ASK THEM TO FILL OUT A VOLUNTEER FORM AND THEN SERVE WHAT IS IT CALLED? IT'S SERVE NOBLESVILLE. WE HAVE ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED ONE NUMBER TO TRY TO DIRECT CALLS. AND ALSO SET UP A RECEPTION AREA AT THE FAIRGROUNDS IN NOBLESVILLE.

SO SUPPLY DONATIONS GO THERE. MONITOR DONATIONS WE'RE SUGGESTING THE COMMUNITY FUND. IN TERMS OF DOLLAR DONATIONS.

BUT THE NUMBER TO USE IS 317-645-3261.

SO IF YOU RECEIVE CITIZEN REQUESTS, THEY WILL BE REGISTERED. AND ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VOLUNTEER CAN ALSO USE THAT NUMBER.

BECAUSE SERVE NOBLESVILLE IS DOWN THERE.

>> MAYOR, IF I COULD -- >> THEY ARE ASKING TO COME IN PERSON OR VIA THE PHONE TO FILL OUT THE FORM? THEY ARE NOT PUTTING ONLINE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO VERIFY LEGITIMACY OF THE REQUESTS FOR HELP AND ALSO AS WE ARE READY, TO HAVE 100 VOLUNTEERS COME INTO AN AREA.

WE WILL SAY THREE VOLUNTEERS. TO HELP CLEAN SLUDGE OFF THE PARKING LOT. WE ARE ALSO WAITING FOR A FLYER FROM SERVE NOBLESVILLE SO THAT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WHO ARE HELPING PEOPLE RE-ENTER THEIR HOME OR OUR STREET DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE A FLYER TO TELL THEM THIS NUMBER.

MAYBE THEY WENT AWAY FOR THE WEEKEND TO GET, MAYBE THEY HAD A

FAMILY MEMBER IN >> I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. >> I WAS GOING TO ADD WITH REPUBLIC. OUR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. THERE'S A MEETING AT 1:00 TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER OPTIONS. THEY ARE REACHED OUT.

I WILL KNOW MORE TOMORROW. >> WELL, JUST, I THINK IT WAS JUST A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF GREAT COMMUNICATION.

GOOD TRAINING, GREAT PEOPLE. AND GOOD LEADERSHIP.

>> YEAH. YEAH.

APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS YOU GAVE ABOUT YOU KNOW THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. GETTING HELP TO THE PEOPLE WHEN NEED HELP. AND THERE WILL BE A FUTURE PLAN AND EVEN AN INTERMEDIATE PLAN ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO DO A FULL ASSESSMENT. BUT EARLIER, YOU TALKED ABOUT THINGS YOU MIGHT DO JUST IN CASE.

BEFORE THE NEXT. I'M NOT A WEATHER PERSON.

WHILE YOU WERE TALKING, I'M LOOKING AT THE WEATHER.

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AND THEN WE'LL SEE. BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EVENT YOU KNOW. AND KIND OF THE CAUSE.

OR NOT THE CAUSE BUT THE RESULT OR OUTCOME OF THE EVENT.

BUT WHAT KIND OF RAIN OR HOW CAN WE ANTICIPATE IF YOU KNOW THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT EVENT COMING AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'RE AN ENGINEER

NOT A WEATHER PERSON. >> WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE

WEATHER. >> FEELS LIKE METEROLOGY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH MUDDY WATER AND THE PROGRESSION AS WE CHASE IT BACK AND COME UP WITH PERCENTAGES.

EARLIER AT A PRESS CONFERENCE WE HAD 85% CHANCE THAT CONNECTION COULD HAPPEN CAUSING THIS EVENT. IT'S UNRELATED TO THE RAIN.

IT'S JUST, NOT TOTALLY UNRESULTED.

EVEN IF IT'S DRY IT TAKES TIME FOR THE WATER TO REDUCE.

I GOT UPDATED PICTURES AND MEASUREMENTS FROM THE FIELD AND I WOULD REDUCE DOWN TO 75% OR 70%.

THINGS ARE DEFINITELY TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

MAYBE THE EVENT WILL NOT HAPPEN AND HOPE IT CONTINUES TO LESSEN AND EVEN THE SANITARY LINE IS NOT BREACHED.

>> AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING IN SOME PITS JUST IN CASE OR DITCHES IN THE NEXT 24, 48 HOURS TO MITIGATE MAYBE TO REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT PERCENTAGE.

>> YEAH. SO WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON SITE.

WE HAVE THEM READY. THEY WILL MOBILIZE IN THE MORNING AND START THAT FIRST STEP.

BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE SIX OR EIGHT HOURS THE FIRST STEP TO GET IN AND GET THOSE DUG TO BEGIN TO START TO TRANSFER THE PUMPS. SO WE CAN DO THAT SUCH A WAY TO INSTALL INFRASTRUCTURE EVEN IF WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT AT THIS TIME, IT'S ALREADY THERE AND READY.

THAT'S SIX TO EIGHT HOURS. IT'S TAKEN CARE OF AND THE NEXT TIME SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE'RE GETTING PIPE FUSED AND CONNECTED. SO, IF IT DOESN'T BREECH OVERNIGHT, WE CAN THINK ABOUT STOPPING THEM.

I THINK, I'M GOING TO BE ON SITE IN THE MORNING, TO ME.

I THINK IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT AND THEN IF IT DOES BREECH,

THEY'RE ON SITE WORKING. >> WE WILL KNOW A LOT MORE IN THE MORNING. I THINK ON WHETHER THE SANITARY PIPES WILL OR WILL NOT BREECH. SO THE NEXT 12 HOURS ARE PRETTY

TELLING. >> MAYOR, SO I HAVE PEOPLE WHO IN MY DISTRICT WHO HAD TO EVACUATE.

THEY ARE SOMEWHERE SAFE WITH THEIR FAMILY AND CONTACTING ME WITH THE UNCERTAINTIES IS ALWAYS SCARY.

NOT KNOWING WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.

A LOT ARE TRYING TO NAVIGATE RESOURCES, FEMA OR INSURANCE.

I KNOW IT'S EASY TO TELL PEOPLE TO BE PATIENT.

IT'S HARD HAD THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO NEXT.

REALISTICALLY, AT THIS MOMENT, WHAT CAN PEOPLE DO? WHAT DO PEOPLE NEED TO WAIT ON WHEN IT COMES TO ASSESSING THEIR

PROPERTY FOR THE FUTURE? >> I BELIEVE MOST ROADS OF PASSABLE. WITH ELECTRICITY DE-ENERGIZED THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. I RECOMMEND THAT THEY CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER IS ASK FOR AN ESCOURT TO MAKE SURE THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS IT STABLE. SOME HOMES HAD WATER VERY HIGH.

SOME HAD UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR. SO THAT THE AREA IS SAFE TO APPROACH. IT TRULY IS DE-ENERGIZED.

THERE'S NO GAS LINE CONCERNS, WHICH WE DON'T THINK THERE IS.

THEY HAVE AN ESCORT TO BE SAFE SO THEY CAN BE ON PERSONAL CLEAN UP MISSION AND NEED TO BE CALLING HAMILTON COUNTY EOC.

311 OR HAMILTON EOC. IF IT'S SOMETHING BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE HAMILTON COUNTY EOC, THEY WILL DIRECT THEM TO THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE. CLEARLY, THERE HAVE BEEN IMMEDIATE DOLLARS ALLOCATED. HOPEFULLY STATE DOLLARS.

WE HAVE RAINY DAY EMERGENCY FUNDS.

BUT WE'RE JUST NOT AT THE POINT TO SAY HOW THE FUNDS WILL BE USED AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO ACCESS THEM FRANKLY.

A LOT OF REQUESTS ARE ALSO VERY INDIVIDUAL.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE PETS. SOME HAVE KIDS.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH IN THE HOME.

IF THERE'S MOLD. WE JUST REALLY WANT THEM ESCORTED IN THE FIRST TIME AND TAKE THE ADVICE OF OUR VERY WELL

TRAINED PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF. >> AND I WOULD OFFER UP HAMILTON

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SOME OF YOUR FOLKS ARE PROBABLY STILL ON WELL SERVICE.

SO THEY NEED TO TAKE CARE WHEN THEY GO BACK IN TO MAKE SURE THEY DO THE PROPER PROCEDURE TO SANITIZE THE WELLS AND MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE DRINKING WATER AGAIN. SO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS

STANDING BY TO HELP. >> I WANT TO ADDEDA ONE THING.

WHEN THEY GO BACK TO THEIR HOMES AND LOOK TO GET THE ELECTRICITY TURNED BACK ON. IT'S A BIT OF A PROCESS.

THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEIR INSURANCE INSPECTOR HAS COME OUT AND NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AN ELECTRICION HAS COME OUT AND HAS DONE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS WILL COME OUT. WE WILL BE WAVING FEES FOR PERMITS THERE. AND ONCE OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR OKAYS IT, THEY WILL GO TO DUKE. IT'S A PROCESS.

UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF THE INSURANCE INSPECTORS AND ADJUSTORS WILL PROBABLY TAKE A WHILE BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE IN INDIANA THAT NEED HELP.

AGAIN I THINK IN THE MEANTIME, WE WANT THEM AT A SAFE LOCATION.

LIKE A HOTEL AND FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER FIRST.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT LATER, HAPPY TO TALK YOU THROUGH

IT. >> I HAD MORE QUESTIONS KIND OF ON THE EVENT. IT'S REALLY TWO EVENTS.

IF IT KEEPS MOVING AND GETS THE WASTEWATER LINE THAT'S EVENT ONE. COULD STOP AFTER THAT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE RIVER, WHICH IS THE REFLOW EVENT.

ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE? THAT'S THE FIX TOMORROW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, FOR EVENT NUMBER ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT PIECE DOESN'T FALL?

>> AS FAR AS LANE'S FIXES, HE'S ACTIVELY GIVEN THE GO AHEAD TO START THE PROCESS. IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN FIX RIGHT AWAY. MAYBE THEY WILL CANCEL TOMORROW IF WE HAVE ASURETY IT WON'T HAPPEN.

YOU'RE CORRECT, THE FIRST EVENT IS THE SEWAGE SPILL IN EVENT ONE GOES TO THE QUARRY AND COMES BACK.

THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE EVENTS. ONE COULD HAPPEN FIRST AND NOT

THE SECOND. >> AS FAR AS KIND OF THE FIX FOR EVENT ONE, WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO PUTS US IN A POSITION EACH IF EVENT TWO HAPPENS THAT WILL BE IN A BETTER

POSITION? >> CORRECT.

AND JUST THE FIX ON IF IT HAPPENS, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, IS NOT GOING TO BE A QUICK FIX BECAUSE DEPENDING ON HIGH WIDE THE CHANNEL IS TO BE ABLE TO FUSE THAT PIPE THAT CAN HANDLE THAT FLOW, THAT WILL TAKE TIME.

WE CAN'T EVEN, WE HAVE BEEN HAVING PEOPLE REACH OUT EVERYWHERE. A LOT OF THAT PIPE IS NOT EVEN AVAILABLE. QUITE A BIT, I HATE TO SAY THIS WORD, DATA CENTER NEEDS A LOT AND TAKES A LOT.

A LARGER DIAMETER PIPE IS HARD TO GET A HOLD OF.

WE MAY HAVE TO USE SMALLER DIAMETER TO MAKE UP WITH THE FLOW. THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. THE FIRST STEP IS TO GET THESE TWO PITS DUG SO BOTH SIDES CAN BE READY FOR WHEN THE PIPE IS FUSED WHEN THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURE THAT WILL GET THAT PIPE ACROSS IS BUILT. THEN WE CAN CONNECT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT REGARDLESS.

WE WILL BE WORKING ON HOW DO WE GET THE PIPE.

HOW DO WE GET SOMETHING LARGE ENOUGH TO GET OVER.

THAT'S WHERE THE MAYOR MENTIONED.

WE HAVE ACCESS TO FEDERAL, STATE AND FEDERAL RESOURCES WHO IF WE REALLY NEED TO GET EQUIPMENT WE DON'T HAVE, WE CAN REACH OUT AND

START THAT PROCESS. >> A LITTLE BEHIND THE SCENES.

THE FIRST FIX WAS A QUICKER FIX. THEN WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SECOND EVENT THAT WIPES THAT OUT AND TWO, EVEN IF WE KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S JUST A LOT OF WATER WHICH LANE TOUCHED ON BEFORE. WE REACHED OUT WITH PEOPLE WHO HELPED IN HURRICANE KATERINA. THERE'S NOT A BARGE OR BOAT THAT CAN MOUNT THIS THING OVER WATER. IT'S PROBABLY THE BORE PITS SOLUTION WE'RE INVESTIGATING NOW.

>> WHICH WOULD BE SAFE FROM A SECOND EVENT IF THAT COMES BACK.

>> AND THEN FOR EVENT TWO, YOU KIND OF REFERENCED IT BASED ON LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE. I THINK ONCE IF IT BREACHES THE RIVER, THE RIVER WILL FLOW TO THE QUARRY AND FILL UP.

NINE BILLION GALLONS. TOPPED OFF AS WATER STARTS TO SPILL OUT FROM THE FLOW OF RIVER, I THINK THAT GOES BACK EAST OR SOUTHEAST TO THE RIVER OR DO WE KNOW JUST KIND OF IN THINKING EXTERNALITIES. THERE'S A LOT OF WATER AND WATER

[01:25:01]

WHATEVER THE ROAD BY THE FASHION MALL WHERE THEY HAD DIVERSION.

WONDER IF THOSE CONNECT JUST IN CASE WE ARE LOOKING AT 96 STREET, 86 STREET. THAT AREA TAKING ON THAT WATER AS WE FIGURE OUT A PATH TO DIVERT BACK.

>> SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE. AGAIN THIS LARGE EROSION EVENT IS HARD TO PREDICT. THERE'S AN ENERGY DISSIPATION EVENT SO WE COME GET EQUALIZED AND COME BACK, IT'S A SLOWER AMOUNT OF MOVING WATER. IT'S NOT NINE BILLION GALLONS JUST THE SURFACE WATER. OF COURSE OUR FIRST CONCERN IS THIS HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN ON GRAY.

THERE'S NOT A PIT TO SUCK THE WATER.

IT WOULD FILL LIKE FLOOD WATERS DO.

SLOWLY AND EQUALIZE MORE SLOWLY ON TO THE WHITE RIVER.

>> AND TIMING WISE, I KNOW BRIDGE MATTERS.

RESETS NATURE TO THE BEST OF OUR CAPACITY AND UNDERSTANDING WHY IT'S GOING TO SETTLE SO WE KNOW HOW TO BUILD AROUND IT MATTERS.

I LOVE TO HEAR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS ALREADY IN AND AROUND AND WORKING ON THE NEXT STEPS.

WHEN WE DIG A BIG HOLE AND FILLS WITH WATER, STUFF LIKE THIS KNOW HAPPENS, IT SEEMS RAN EXTERNALITY THE WATER DOWN STREAM DOES NOT RISE AS MUCH AS IT COULD HAVE IN OTHER PLACES, WHICH IS A POSITIVE SILVER LINING OF HAVING TO MY GOOGLING THE BIGGEST LAKE IN HAMILTON COUNTY.

BUT THE IDEA OF WHAT ARE WE DOING NEXT AND PUT RIGHT MATTERS. I WANT TO ECHO FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON ALL THE SHARING AND THE PROCESS HOW QUICKLY PEOPLE WERE IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOUSES. HOW WELL EVERYBODY RESPONDED.

THIS ONCE IN A THOUSAND YEAR EVENT HAS BEEN HANDLED SO FAR EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. WILD TO THINK THAT A RIVER HAS DIVERTED IN OUR CITY LIMITS AND WE'RE TRYING OUT HOW TO BEST DEAL WITH THAT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, KEEP US UPDATED ON HOW WE CAN HELP. WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO STAY OUT OF YOUR WAY AND GET THE FACT YOU NEED.

THINKING OF DOWN STREAM. A DRIVING RIVER IS A ONCE IN A THOUSAND YEAR THING THAT WE'RE HELPING TO DEAL WITH.

IT'S GOING TO MATTER FOR THE PEOPLE SOUTH OF US AND POTENTIALLY NORTH OF US. THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN GREAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. KEEP AT IT.

AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT WE GOT TO DO.

>> AS SOON AS WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF NEXT STEPS, ONCE WE GET PAST THIS EMERGENT ISSUE, WE WILL KEEP PROVIDING INFORMATION ON THE BIGGER BOULDERS TO MOVE SO TO SPEAK AND WHAT TO DO AFTER THAT. THIS IS ESPECIALLY IRONIC I KAYAKED THE WHITE RIVER AND HAD A PORTAGE.

IT'S SAD BECAUSE MARTIN MURRIETA HELPED US BUILD SO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE IN CENTRAL INDIANA.

AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF COMMISSION FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO HAVE

IMPACTS FOR CONCRETE. >> YEAH, THE FACT THE QUARRY IS FILLED AND NINE OTHERS ARE AFFECTED BY THE OTHERS WILL AFFECT OUR BUILD BACK BECAUSE OF RAW MATERIALS.

IT WILL BE OUTSOURCED FROM FURTHER AWAY AND PLAY INTO OUR ABILITY TO GET ENOUGH RAW MATERIAL BACK HERE.

>> OKAY. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE TRASH. THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD.

ALL THIS DEBRIS HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.

AND NOT TO A NORMAL TRANSFER STATION I EXPECT.

YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, THE QUARRY WATER THAT WILL SEPARATE AND CLEAN WATER ON TOP AND SOLIDS ON THE BOTTOM.

THEY HAVE A RESPONSE PLAN. THEY HAVE A PREVENTION PLAN.

I AM HAPPY TO HEAR MARTIN MURRIETA IS AWESOME.

I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO BE ANY OTHER.

THEY SHOULD HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE CONTAMINANTS.

ALL THAT OIL WILL RISE TO THE S. IT'S NOT CLEAN WATER RISING TO THE TOP. IT'S SOME OF THE WORST WATER.

IN WORKING FOR YEARS IN THE BIG DIG, THERE WILL BE, SOMETHING INNED THOUSANDS OF POCKETS OF BIOHAZARDOUS STUFF THAT ISN'T

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WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PUMP IT? WHO IS GOING TO DECONTAMINATE

IT? >> LANE'S COMMENT IS IF THE WATER GETS TO THE QUARRY, IT'S ONE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

IF IT DOES FLOW BACK, CERTAINLY, WE WILL HAVE CONTAMINATED WATER INTO THE WHITE RIVER. ALL WATER TREATMENT PLANTS ARE CAPABLE OF TREATING THAT WATER. SO IN LARGE EVENTS LIKE THIS, WE'RE NOT THE FIRST PEOPLE TO DO THAT IN THE LAST FOUR DAYS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHEN IT COMES BACK IN EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE CORDONED OFF BACK INTO THE QUARRY.

IT'S CONVENIENT THERE WILL BE SOME SETTLING EFFECT AND THAT'S NOT THE END OF IT. WE WILL SKIM OFF THE TOP AND WORK WITH MARK MURRIETA HOW THAT WATER GETS PUMPED CLEANLY TO THE

WHITE RIVER >> HAVE YOU LOOKED AT, I'M SURE YOU HAVE. MILES AND MILES OF TUNNELS.

DRILLING GROUNDWATER FOR WELLS, A GOOD AMOUNT OF FISSURES AND AQU AQUIFERS.

>> NO INDICATION OF THAT. >> AWESOME.

>> SO A LOT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. A LOT OF TUNNEL IS LOCATED ON TO THEIR PROPERTY. THERE ARE EASEMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHICH THEY ARE MONITORING.

I BELIEVE THAT IS SOUTH OF 96 STREET.

NOT FINGERS ALL OVER THE AREA OUTSIDE OF THE LIMITS OF MARTIN MURRIETA. WE ARE IN CONTACT AND ASKING THE QUESTIONS. AS PART OF THE CLEAN UP, IT WILL

BE PART OF IT. >> PERIOD SNYDER, THEY WERE NOT

ALLOWED TO ACCESS YESTERDAY. >> THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCESS

TODAY. >> THEY COULDN'T BE ON THE SITE UNTIL 6:00 A.M. THIS MORNING. HAD A BRIEFING AND HAD TO GET A MINING SAFETY ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SAFE AND NOT AN ISSUE. THEY CONFIRMD AND THERE'S NO STRUCTURAL CONCERNS. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THEY HAVE

BEEN ON SITE WAS TODAY. >> THERE WILL BE SOME TIME BEFORE WE WORRY ABOUT DECONTAMINATION OF WATER.

>> TO YOUR POINT NOT BEING ON SITE, I HAVE A MESSAGE FROM MICHAEL, I DO WANT TO PASS ALONG.

HE IS CLOSED INDEFINITELY. >> YEAH, I DIDN'T GET INTO THE

DAMAGE OF THE PARK. >> IT'S CLOSED INDEFINITELY.

RIVER HERITAGE PARK CLOSED FOR SOME TIME.

THE TRAILS CLOSED INDEFINITELY. WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE FOR NOW, WE HAVE POLICE OUT THERE BLOCKING AND IF AT SOME POINT YOU COULD PLEASE MARK THE BARRICADES SO PEOPLE KNOW HOW FAR THEY CAN GET. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE SEPARATE NOT TECHNICALLY CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY DO ACTIVELY PURSUE TRESPASSES.

WITH ALL OF THE CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE AROUND OUR PARK SYSTEM AND THE CITY HAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, LIKE THEM OR HATE THEM.

YOU WILL BE CHARGED WITH TRESPASSES IF YOU STEP ON THE GROUND. AT THIS POINT WE HAVE LOST ZERO LIVES. IT WOULD BE ASININE IF SOMEONE GOES EXPLORING AND DIES IN THE UNDER CURRENT.

THOSE PARKS ARE CLOSED. IF YOU ARE FOUND, YOU WILL BE ARRESTED. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. OUR TRAFFIC CAMERAS ARE MON MONITORING. WE SAW A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE CROSS, REALLY PUTTING THEIR LIVES AT DANGER.

WE HAVE CHASED PEOPLE FOR 3-1/2 DAYS OUT.

PREVIOUSLY HAZEL DELL ROUNDABOUT IS OPEN.

IT IS NO LONGER OPEN. YOU CAN'T GET HERE FROM 96 AND HAZEL DELL AND YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THERE FROM 116 TO HAZEL DELL. BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS MORE CATASTROPHIC EVENT, IT'S IN THAT POTENTIAL AREA WE HAVE MOVED ALL THOSE BARRICADES BACK SO DO NOT GO PAST ANY OF THOSE. IT IS NOT SAFE.

CITY EMPLOYEES WILL NOT BE THERE TOMORROW MORNING.

WE WILL LOOK AT THE CAMERAS BEFORE WE GOT OUR PEOPLE IN THERE. I KNOW THEY PROBABLY SAW US WALKING AROUND THINKING IT'S OKAY.

WE HAVE SAFETY ENGINEERS KNOWING WHERE TO WALK.

PEOPLE PLEASE STAY AWAY. DO NOT KAYAK INTO THE RIVER.

BEING ARRESTED WILL BE THE BEST OUTCOME.

>> I WOULD POINT OUT THE UNDERSCOUR FROM THE PAVEMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOLID PAVEMENT. YOU COULD GO TO THE EDGE.

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>> WE ALSO WATCHED A GENTLEMEN FILL HIS JUGS AT THE FLOWING WELL PARK. THE WATER LOOKED LIKE THE MOST DISGUSTING WATER. IT'S BEEN CLOSED UP.

JUST DON'T BOTHER GOING THERE FOLKS.

BUY YOUR WATER AT KROGER. THIS IS THE ARTEASIAN WELL AND

YOUR WATER NEEDS TO BE TESTED. >> INCLUDING HAZEL LANDING, HERITAGE PARK CLOSED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU TRESPASS YOU WILL BE ARRESTED.

THAT IS NOT TO BE JUST STRICT. THAT IS FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY.

>> THE COUNTY'S PRATHER PARK. ALSO.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR TRESPASSING RULES.

>> LIKE YOU SAID. THAT'S THE BEST OUTCOME.

PEOPLE ARE ARRESTED BEFORE THEY MAKE A HORRIBLE MISTAKE.

>> DIRECTOR SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE WHITE RIVER PATHWAYS.

MOST OF THEM ARE CLOSED. >> AT THE BARRICADES OR CLOSURES THEY REMAINED CLOSED. SO NINE BILLION GALLONS.

THAT IS 380 YEARS OF GARDENING. EVERY PERSON FLUSHING THE TOILET ON THE PLANET AT ONCE AND ACCOUNTING FOR EVAPERATION.

IT'S A LOT OF WATER AND AMAZING TO SEE EVERYONE WORKING TOGETHER. 317-645-3261.

IF YOU NEED HELP OR KNOW OF ANYONE.

THAT IS THE NUMBER TO YOU WILL CA.

THE A HUMAN ON THE OTHER END OF THE LINE.

THEY WILL PICK UP THE PHONE AND YOU WILL GET HELP IF YOU CALL ANY OF US. WE WILL HOLD YOUR HAND BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER. THAT IS THE BEST SCENARIO IN THESE TYPES OF EVENTS. ONE POINT OF CONTACT.

THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR AND TO THE COMMISSIONER FOR CREATING THIS. 317-645-3261.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.

[8. CONSENT AGENDA ]

2026, REGULAR MEETING. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. CLAIMS, FOUR MILLION FIVE --

$4,552,131.37. >> WE NEED TO FINISH THE FIRST VOTE. MAYORAL VETOES.

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS ]

LAND USE? .

SO WE HAD A MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO TO DISCUSS AS YOU HEARD MANY COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT THE TRAIL AND EBIKES AND EMOTOS AND MAKING THAT TRAIL THAT PATH SAFER FOR ALL OF US IN THE CITY OF CARMEL.

THOSE DISCUSIONS ARE ON GOING. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING COMING UP ON THURSDAY. AND SO I INVITE EVERYBODY TO COME. IT'S A NEW DATE.

THURSDAY NEW TIME, 6:30. SAME LOCATION.

CARMEL LIBRARY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. PRESIDENT. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION.

CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THE FOLKS WHO SPOKE TO US TONIGHT WHAT THEY ARE RESPONDING TO.

WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL? FOR DISMOUNT.

>> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAD GOTTEN RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEM FOR A MANDATORY DISMOUNT ZONE TO HAVE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GET OFF THEIR BIKES SO THAT THEY COULD SAFELY CROSS THAT MUCH BUSIER AREA OF THE MONAN AND AGAIN REMOUNT WHEN THE BIKE LANES RESUMED AS SEPARATE BIKE LANES.

THAT WAS ONE OF PROPOSALS PUT FORWARD.

THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED PLACING INTO THE ORDINANCE.

AND THAT WAS ON RECOMMENDATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR THOUGHTS ON ENFORCEMENT ABILITIES AND SAFETY.

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>> SO AS IT STANDS NOW, WILL THAT BE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT

WILL COME TO US NEXT? >> WE ARE STILL ACTIVELY DISCUSSING THAT IN COMMITTEE. IT MAY NOT END UP BEING IN THAT FORM. IT IS THERE NOW AND THAT WAS ONE OF DISCUSSION POINTS AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HEARD THE FEEDBACK, WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE COMMITTEE. WE GO AND GET THE FEEDBACK AND COME BACK AND DISCUSS AGAIN. WE WILL HAVE POLICE THERE AGAIN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO BE THERE TO BE THERE TO HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION

OF THAT POSSIBILITY. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. SOMEONE SAID THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED FOR THIS BEING DISCUSSED.

DISCUSSION IS NOT ACTION. THANK YOU FOR ALL SUGGESTIONS BEING THOUGHT OF EVEN IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT

SUGGESTION. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FOR BRINGING THAT UP. WE CAN'T VET IDEAS UNTIL WE PUT THEM ON PAPER AND GET THE FEEDBACK WE DID.

AND I'M SURE, TO YOUR POINT, THERE WILL BE LOTS OF

[11.e. Economic Development Commission (Bi-annual – February, August) ]

GOOD EVENING. I AM JEFF MOORE, THE COUNCIL'S APPOINTED MEMBER WITH A REFRESHINGLY BORING AND SHORT UPDATE. SO I WILL BE QUICK ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS A SEMIANNUAL UPDATE. THE LAST UPDATE WAS AUGUST 18, 2025. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MET ON AUGUST 25, 2025, AND HAD ONE PROJECT FOR REVIEW THAT WAS REBAR SIGNATURE 55 ON OLD MERIDIEN IN $11 MILLION IN BONDS. A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

200 AGE RESTRICTED MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

12,000 SQUARE FEET AMENITY SPACE.

350 PARKING SPACES. AN EASEMENT FOR PUBLIC RESTROOM THAT IS SERVE THE COMMUNITY BROADLY AND THE BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE BOND. WE HAVE NO MEETING SCHEDULED NOW AND OFTEN MEET IN THE FALL. I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE HAVE A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? GREAT THANK YOU.

[Items 12.a - 12.c]

HAVE A GOOD >> THANK YOU.

>> OLD BUSINESS. A B AND C ALL REMAIN IN

[13.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2844-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, authorizing and approving an additional appropriation from the Motor Vehicle Highway Fund (MVH) (#201); Sponsors: Councilors Worrell and Minnaar. ]

READING OF ORDINANCE D-2844-26. ORDINANCE OF COMMON COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE APPROPRIATION FROM THE MOTOR VEHICLE HIGHWAY FUND. SPONSORS WORRELL AND MINNAAR.

>> MOVED AND REDUCED. >> SECOND.

>> THIS ORDINANCE COVERS FLEET NEEDS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A $389,000 REQUEST.

EARLIER THIS WEEK, THE STREET DEPARTMENT SOLD VEHICLES THAT NO LONGER MET THE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS AND ASKING FOR PROCEEDS TO BE REAPPROPRIATED BACK TO THEM SO THEY CAN BUY OTHER EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES SUCH AS LOADER, STREET SWEEPER AND VARIOUS

TRUCKS. >> LET'S OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:43. SEEING NO ONE RUSHING.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:43 AND ADDITIONAL SECONDS.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? >> I DO HAVE JUST ONE PROCEDURAL ONE. YOU AT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT PULL TOGETHER THE VEHICLE USE PLAN AND THE LIFETIME.

ARE THESE LOADERS PART OF THAT SYNOPSIS OR STILL SOMETHING

LEFT? >> THIS IS MORE SPECIALTY VEHICLES AS OPPOSED TO REGULAR VEHICLES.

WE ARE WORKING ON OPTIMIZING OUR OVERALL FLEET.

THIS IS STREET DEPARTMENT CENTRIC AND LOOKING AT BIGGER

EQUIPMENT. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

THE VEHICLES SOLD WERE AGING AND DIDN'T NEED TO REPLACE THEM WITH NEWER VEHICLES. IS THIS PART OF OVERALL

MAINTENANCE >> SORRY.

THANK YOU. >> I FIGURED YOU CAME AND SAT THROUGH TWO FULL MEETINGS AND DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SAY A WORD. THIS GAVE YOU A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND TO BE THANKED FOR THE INCREDIBLE JOB YOUR TEAM

HAS BEEN DOING FOR THE WEEKEND. >> STREET COMMISSIONER.

THE SALE OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE IN QUESTION.

SO ONE OF OUR BIG LOADERS AND LOOKING TO SELL ANOTHER.

IT'S ABOUT OPTIMIZATION AND LOOKING AT FUTURE.

WE HAVE TROUBLE GETTING REPAIRS DONE ON THE LOADERS.

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THE REST ARE EQUIPMENT WE HAD MECHANICAL ISSUES WITH.

TO YOUR QUESTION, IT'S PART OF THE OVERALL FLEET PLAN.

ONCE EVERYTHING GETS ROLLING, THIS WILL BE INSPECTED ON A YEARLY BASE. ANALYZED AND OFTENTIMES IF ANYTHING IS GOING TO COST MORE THAN 50% OF WHAT THE, IF THE COST OF REPAIRS GREATER THAN THE VALUE OF THE CURRENT VALUE, THAT WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC THING TO TRIGGER IT.

SO, ALL THESE THINGS ARE IN THAT NATURE.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SUSPEND THE RULES?

>> I MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES AND ACT ON THIS THIS

EVENING. >> SECOND.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY. NEW BUSINESS.

[14.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2845-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Article 4, Section 2-159 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsors: Councilors Minnaar, Taylor, Worrell. ]

NEW BUSINESS. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2845-26. ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA TO AMEND SEX 2-159 OF THE CARMEL

CODE. >> THIS AMENDS, 2-159 TO ESTABLISH A MUNICIPAL TOURISM CAPITAL FUND.

THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE INDIANA GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED ACT 1210 WHICH WAS ALSO THE DLG ANNUAL BILL. ALSO HISTORICALLY, INKEEPERS TAXES COLLECTED FROM CARMEL HAVE GONE TO HAMILTON COUNTY RETAINED BY HAMILTON COUNTY. IN RESPONSE TO THE MAYOR'S REQUEST, TO KEEP MORE OF THOSE DOLLARS IN CARMEL, HOUSE 1210 NOW REQUIRES A PORTION OF THOSE REVENUES TO BE ALLOCATED DIRECTLY TO THE FOUR LARGER CITIES IN HAMILTON COUNTY AND SO THIS IS NEW MONEY FOR THE CITY THAT DOES NOT COME, DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS COLLECTED ON VISITORS.

HOUSE ENROLL 1210 REQUIRES US TO CREATE A NEW TOURISM CAPITAL FUND TO DEPOSIT THIS REVENUE. WE ANTICIPATE RECEIVING $1.3 MILLION ANNUALLY IN HERE. JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

THE LAW SPECIFIES THE MONEY IN THE FUND MAYOJAH MAY ONLY BE

USED FOR CAPITAL PURPOSES. >> IT USED TO BE MONEY CAN BE

USED FOR ANY ITEM. >> I THINK SO.

AGAIN THESE ARE INKEEPERS TAX DOLLARS RETAINED BY THE COUNTY.

IT HAD TO GO TO THEIR TOURISM DEVELOPMENT FUND.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY ALLOCATED THAT OUT.

>> IT WAS DEFINITELY THROUGH VISIT INDIANA.

OR HAMILTON COUNTY VISITORS BOROUGH.

YEAH. NOW IT'S COMING TO US.

>> SO WE'RE, IN THE PAST, THEY REMEMBER LARGER PROJECTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BENEFITTED CARMEL.

THIS GIVES US A CUT AND USED IN CARMEL WITHOUT BEING RE-ALLOCATED. THE USE IS SPECIFIC NOW.

IT HAS TO GO INTO THIS FUND. IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THESE

PURPOSES. >> WHO DEFINES WHAT IS A

TOURISM? >> I WOULD ARGUE EVERY PARK.

>> THE FUNNY THINGS, A LOT OF FUNDS IN CODE SAY IT'S THE FISCAL OFFICER THAT CONTROLS IT. THIS ONE SAYS IT'S ACTUALLY THE CITY FISCAL BODY THAT'S IN CHARGE OF THE FUND.

AND SO, BENJAMIN WILL TELL YOU HOW YOU CAN --

>> HEY, I LOVE THAT. >> SO IN THE FUND.

IN ORDER TO SPEND IT, YOU HAVE TO COME MAKE A COMPELLING

ARGUMENT. >> COUNCIL HAS TO DELIBERATE

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AND EVERYTHING. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES AND VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT IF EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

THIS IS YOU KNOW NEW MONEY. NEW EVERYTHING.

SO. >> I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION AND THAT IS COULD YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ANTICIPATED REVENUE DISTRIBUTION FOR THIS MIGHT BE.

>> I'M SAYING $1.3 MILLION ANNUALLY.

LSA SAID $1.36 MILLION ANNUALLY. SO WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE.

AND THAT IS CARMEL'S ESTIMATED SHARE.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. AWESOME.

THANK YOU, ZACH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBERS -- AGENDA

[16. a. Council Appointments to Boards/Commissions/Committees ]

I'M NOT GOING TO, I AM GOING TO OPEN UP FOR NOMINATIONS HERE IN A MOMENT. BUT, IF, WELL, I WILL OPEN THE

FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS. >> RYAN CATWELL.

>> I WILL NOMINATE RYAN CALDWELL FOR THE BZA

POSITION. >> SECOND.

>> I WILL CLOSE NOMINATIONS. WE HAD A NOMINATION PUT FORWARD.

MR. RYAN CALDWEL. A CARMEL RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER. LIVED IN CARMEL SINCE 2010.

IN THE AREA OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.

HE HAS BEEN VETTED BY PLANNING. HIS CREDENTIALS ARE IN LINE WITH THE POSITION. MR. CALDWELL PREVIOUS TO 2010 SERVED ON TOWN OF PITTSBORO PLANNING COMMISSION AND COMES WITH EXPERIENCE IN THE AREA. WE HAVE A NOMINATION PUT FORWARD. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> I CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS. >> I MOVE TO CLOSE.

>> SECOND. >> NOMINATIONS ARE CLOSED.

IS THAT ALL THE ACTION? BENJAMIN.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE NOMINATION. >> IT WOULDN'T BE A MEETING IF I DIDN'T SCREW UP PROCEDURE. SO NOW NOMINATIONS ARE CLOSED.

MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> SO AND WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NOMINATION AND A SECOND. THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT. THEN WE VOTE.

WE ALL SCREWED UP PROCEDURE TONIGHT.

IN THE INTERIM, MR. RYAN CALDWELL, IF YOU COULD AFTER BENJAMIN TELLS US WHAT WE'RE DOING WRONG.

>> YOU STILL NEED TO VOTE. YOU STILL NEED TO VOTE BECAUSE IT IS POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE THE VOTE DOES NOT TAKE PLACE AND THE POSITION WOULD REMAIN OPEN. YOU STILL NEED TO VOTE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. I BET IT PASSES TOO.

RYAN, IF YOU COULD STAND AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SAY HI.

SO YOU CAN BE ON THE CAMERA RECOGNIZING.

YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE A SPEECH.

IF YOU COULD SAY HELLO. >> HELLO.

AND MY LAST NAME IS SPELLED CADWELL.

JUST IN CASE THAT >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR. VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE.

[17. ANNOUNCEMENTS ]

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THANK YOU, SIR. WITH THAT, ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? YES, MA'AM.

>> YES. THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON HOUSING WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 10TH.

AT 9:00 A.M. HERE AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

I RECOMMEND THAT ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN THE HOUSING DISCUSSION TO ATTEND TOMORROW'S PLAN COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THERE WILL BE AN OPEN HEARING TO DISCUSS ALL OF THE NINE REGULATIONS THE STATE IS REQUIRING US TO DO WHICH WILL HELP OUR HOUSING COMMISSION FORM SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO SEND

BACK TO COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCILOR. 317-645-3261.

IF YOU OR ANYONE NEEDS HELP. THAT IS THE NUMBER TO CALL.

A HUMAN WILL ANSWER. OR IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT VOLUNTEER, THANK YOU. TERESA.

ONCE IT'S SAFE TO GET IN THERE. 317-645-3261.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

>> ONE FINAL, DID ANY OF YOU REACH OUT TO THE LAW FIRM?

OH YEAH. >> GOOD INFORMATION?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.